01/07/2010
Bangalore: The mystery behind the mysterious extortionist who demanded a whopping Rs 42 crore from the Art of Living Foundation of Guru Sri Sri Ravishankar has taken a new turn to the world of real estate. A day after AoL lodged a police complaint that an extortionist was making threatening calls, allegations have surfaced that the ashram has occupied the land illegally.
Agni Sridhar, a don-turned film maker has been having a running battle with Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. He has alleged that a part of the land occupied by Art of Living belongs to Paul Fernandez, a businessman.
The calls were allegedly made by Agni Sridhar, a don-turned journalist and filmmaker, demanding Rs 42 crore. AoL confirmed that it was Sridhar who made the calls. Sridhar too confirmed that the cell phone numbers mentioned in the complaint belonged to him.
Soon, Sridhar came out in the open and told the media in Bangalore that he had only asked AoL to pay up Rs 42 crore for the land that belonged to one Paul Fernandez, a businessman from Kerala.
Sridhar said that AoL had taken away his friend Paul's land and had not paid up. He alleged that the AoL lodged a police complaint on extortion only to gag his voice as he given notice to launch an agitation against the Ashram.
In a counter complaint with the police, Sridhar has alleged that the AoL had filed a false complaint against him and sought an investigation into the land issue.
The Art of Living ashram according to Paul Fernandez was told that the money for the land was paid by him.
Addressing a press conference here on Wednesday, Sridhar pointed out that his calls were not mysterious or sudden and that he had been holding talks with AoL for the past month."After Paul approached me, Swamiji wanted to meet me. For the past one month, there have been calls to my phone from the Ashram. After the intervention of a local Gram Panchayat and Zilla Panchayat member, I went to the Ashram and held a meeting with Sri Sri Ravishankar for more than one-and-half hours. When such is the case, why should I threaten him over phone," he asked.
The story, according to Sridhar is this: Paul Fernandez had paid for the land that is now occupied by AoL. This triggered a litigation in 1995.
Paul, who was also present at the press conference, said he had told AoL that he had paid for the land and showed the sale agreements. But AoL ignored this and got the land registered in its name.
Art of Living, however, says that they have no knowledge of the deal.
Paul said he had purchased a land adjacent to the AoL complex through a power of attorney 12 years ago. The owner of the land died before executing the absolute sale deed and only then he came to know that the land had been pledged to a cooperative society. AoL purchased the land from the society. "Since I had already spent Rs 10 million on the land, I was forced to approach AoL seeking either return of the land or fair compensation," he said.
At another press conference, Prasad Konnar, a senior faculty, and Prasanna Prabhu, a trustee of AoL said: "Agni Sridhar had visited the ashram with a proposal for initiating joint social development projects with his organisation as well as with other Dalit organisations known to him. During the discussion, he praised guruji and the ashram programmes."
According to Agni Sridhar, he had met Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and told him about the land deal. But Art of Living counters this by saying that Sridhar hadcome and met the Guru as a devotee and to discuss social projects.
"He (Sridhar) invited guruji to his place. On June 21, Ravishankar deputed three seniors - Prasad, Prasanna and Raju Gowda - to visit Sridhar. After exchanging pleasantries, we were taken aback when Sridhar changed his tone and the topic. He wanted us to inform the top brass of the ashram to settle the issue. If not, he had some CDs and documents to malign the ashram."
"We passed on his message and for the next three days, we got SMS and calls from Sridhar's mobile phone number enquiring about the money."
But Sridhar had a different take. "On June 18, I personally met the guruji and discussed a settlement with regard to encroachment of some land belonging to realtor Paul Fernandez, by the ashram." Sridhar said the realtor had sought his help. "I decided to call the media as my cellphone number was mentioned in the (ashram's) police complaint."
Said AoL: "We bought 15 acres of land from Vijay on February 5, 2007 and we are in possession of all the legal documents. The charge of land encroachment is baseless and fabricated."
Source: India Syndicate
K.Venugopal
#1
Thursday, 01 July 2010 16:45:04
The so called controversy is unlikely to be an issue at all. The local government land records office can give the correct position as to ownership of the land and the ashram should place the records in public domain so that the controversy dies a natural death. The ashram appears to have legally bought the land from the party to whom it was hypothecated, who subsequently expired. The relatives have now hired a gangster to see if the ashram can be forced to pay an imagined compensation for land which was legally bought. The point is, who are the people who have cooked up a false picture to malign the ashram? The ashram must expose them. The gangster is only a conduit. Could anti-Hindu forces be behind the efforts?
K.Venugopal
#1
Thursday, 01 July 2010 21:18:08
Dear Ananthaswamy
1.Should not a swamiji(sanyasi) be beyond suspicion of worly things.?
If some people cook up things to make a suspect of Swamiji, what can he do? He has to take to legal recourse, which he will do.
2.Why do they travel in expensive cars.?they can always so no just like other real sanyas.
This idea of expensive cars and cheap cars may be in the head of materialists. Spiritual gurus simply travel in the vehicle provided by the disciples, whether it is a Mercedes or bullock-cart.
3.If sanyas is perfect & speaks truth then why did he say that somebody was trying to kill him when actually a Dog was the target & not this God.?
He at no time said somebody was trying to kill him. He simply said a shot has been fired and it should be looked into seriously.
4.Why dont THEY allow children in the shopping mall in your ashram(they presume that children steal & actually do not purchase)
I don’t know about this. It is for the Ashram to explain.
5.What other skill & knowledge does he possess apart from breathing exercise which anycase all yogis practice but marketed well by AOL.
Teaching breathing exercise alone would qualify him to have the gratitude of his disciples because breathing properly is the basis of health. Sri Sri Ravi is also imparting knowledge of the deepest philosophies of Hinduism in very simple language. This is a bonus to mankind.
6.Why do they collect so much money for a simple breathing technology.?
This is one question I too have. I think they ought to teach it free.
7.Why do they insist that the technology shuould be initiated by gurujis cassete & not somebody else.(justlike mosquito liquid manufacturers insist that it works best in their machines)
You have the freedom to listen to any cassette, not just Sri Sri Ravi’s. If you want to know what he is teaching, then of course you have to listen to his cassette. Simple, is it not?
8.Why doesnt he clarify his sexuality since people have a doubt.?
Why don’t you start walking naked on the streets so that no one has any doubts about yours?
IF SOMEBODY CAN ANSWER 4 QUESTIONS ,HE NEED NOT ANSWER OTHER 4.
I WILL NEVER ASK MORE QUERIES I HAVE IN ANY FORUM
Have I answered the quota of your questions? Are you not going to ask any more questions in any forum?
Dear Ananthaswamy
#4
I have not asked the questions to get an answer" like" GETthe REPLY FROM ASHRAM" I DONT KNOW." "THIS IS ONE QUESTION I ALSO DO NOT KNOW"
If I do not know the answer to a question, what else do I say?
"RUN NAKED ON THE ROAD & SHOW WHO I AM ""WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS ME I WILL GET A DOCTORS CERTIFICATE RATHER THAN RUN ON THE ROAD NAKED. Since I belong to a tribe called CIVILISED.
You claim you are civilised. But was it civilised of you to ask of a person to clarify his sexuality? Have you considered clarifying your sexuality? You would be able to do so if you run naked on the road, grab headlines. I don’t think a civilized person would have asked the question you did. So I simply gave you a taste of your own medicine. Thank you but I am not at all interested in your sexuality.
As regards your other answers you say that YOU ARE FREE TO LISTEN TO ANY CASSETTE.SORRY I HAVE GONE TO AOL COURSE WHOSE TEACHERS CLEARLY INSIST ON INITIATION THRO CASSETE(SINCE OBVIOUSLY HE CANNOT BE EVERYWHERE )!OR DIRECTLY GURUJI
Because you are in democratic India, you are free to listen to any cassette. If the teachers in the ashram insist on something, it is your choice to do it or not. Have they forced you to buy their cassettes? If they clearly say that initiation is through the cassette or directly by Guruji, how can you fault them?
As regards your other answers that Ravishankar never said that only bullet came & investigate.PLEASE REFER TO THEIR COMPLAINT & P.CHIDAMBARAM & POLICECHIEF'S & NEWSPAPER REPORTS & VIDEO RECORDINGS.HE CLEARLY CLAIMED THAT SOMEBODY WAS TRING TO KILL HIM & HE SUSPECTED NAXALITES FROM WESTBENGAL & CHATTISGARH SINCE THEY WERE JEALOUS OF HIM.
Please give me at least one link where he said somebody was trying to kill him. I think he only said he did not rule out the Naxalites as some may not be happy with his peace efforts and may be behind the incident with the aim of creating panic.
Mr.VENUGOPAL,YOU HAVE ANSWER ONLY ONE QUESTION THATIS REGARDING CAR USAGE WHIVCH I ACCEPT AS A CIVILISED DEBATE ANSWER(THOUGH I DONT AGREE).
THEREFORE I ADVICE YOU PLEASE DO NOT ENTER INTO PUBLIC DEBATE WITHOUT GETTING YOUR FACTS CORRECTLY & BECOME A LAUGHING STOCK.
I stated what I know and tried to express it in a straight forward manner. If anyone wishes to laugh it is their prerogative.
IF YOU STILL HAVE ANY DECENCY LEFT & BELIEVING YOU ARE A DEVOTEE OF SAINT I EXPECT AN APOLOGY FROM YOU & I DO NOT EXPECT A FOUL LNGUAGE REPLY.INCASE YOU DO THEN I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR GURU TEACHES .YOUR REPLY REFLECTS YOUR LEARNING.
What is this about believing that one is a devotee? Either one is or one is not. I am not a devotee of Sri Sri Ravi. I did not use foul language. Can you tell me where I have? I do not think I have written anything that calls for my apology. Can you tell me why I should apologize?
Dear gdgdxx
No use trying to white wash ravisankar
Giving one’s opinion is not tantamount to whitewashing anyone.
Nice to hear you suggest that ravi sankar is using luxury car that was probably donated by his devotee. So does that mean he have only got devotees amongst the rich ?
Look, this rich-poor divide is a material divide. Spiritual masters like Sri Sri Ravi come to infuse us with spiritual understanding. With spiritual understanding we shall cease to consider ourselves poor just because we do not have above a certain amount in the bank or house of a certain size and make or consumer goods of all sorts. Real poverty is in the sense of lack the mind suffers from due to lack of spiritual understanding.
Would he ride a bicycle if some other middle class devotee where to gift it to him ?
Why not? I am sure he would if he were to visit a place like Matheran, the famous hill station in Maharashtra, where automobiles are not permitted.
Of course there could have been many gifts that he got.
It is not taboo to accept gifts. The problem is when one becomes attached with the gifts.
As he obviously uses only the best and nicest of stuff , what would differentiate him from the nouveau rich ?
The difference is that the materially rich can only use the best and nicest of stuff. The spiritually rich will not miss the best and nicest of stuff if they are not available.
Also it couldn't be just ravishankar himself fully in control , who knows there are more powerful ones behind him who pulls the strings ?
There is always such a possibility in the case of so-called Swamis who life history we do not know. But the history of spiritual savants like Sri Sri Ravi and Mata Amritananda Mayi are well known and they have taken to spiritualism since their childhood. So the question of anyone controlling them does not arise.
If he just TEACH others of his exercises , how can be called SPIRITUAL leader ? At best he can only be considered a fitness instructor !!
What he teaches are not just exercises, which by itself is not a bad thing and fitness instructors should be respected. But Sri Sri Ravi teaches yoga and pranayama and other aspects of Hinduism. That is why he is a respected spiritual master.
Dear Ananthaswamy
SORRY I DIDNT ANSWER ONE MORE QUESTION FROM VENUGOPAL.HE SAID WHAT CAN ANYBODY DO WHEN PEOPLE MAKE FALSE ALLEGATIONS.NOW IN ALL THEIR LIFE DID ANYBODY DARE TO SUSPECT NELSONMANDELA,MOTHERTHERESA,ABDULKALAM,VISWESHWARAIAH,C.RAJGOPALCHARI,M.S.SUBBALAKSHMI,J.N .TATA,SWAMI VIVEKANANDA,RAMAKRISHNAPARAMAHAMSA.LALBAHADURSHASTRI,JAYAPRAKAHNARAYAN......ETC.YOU WOULD NOT EVEN HEARD OF THE OTHER NAMES I CAN MENTION.
That is the whole point. I think there is a conspiracy to defame Hindu icons because Hinduism is being spread far and wide by them.
Dear citizen_indian
There have always been frauds in the garb of honest people. The existence of frauds does not prove that honest people do not exist. To suggest all swamis of today are frauds is rather unfair. You may name a particular swami and charge him of being a fraud. If your charges stick, that swami would have his goose cooked. But simply alleging charges against all and sundry swamis is probably with ulterior motives – hoping that such charges would sully the fair name of all Hindu gurus. Hinduism, which has survived through the ages where many other religions have floundered, is still alive and kicking. Those ill motivated against it would not have their evil plans succeed.
Bangalore: The mystery behind the mysterious extortionist who demanded a whopping Rs 42 crore from the Art of Living Foundation of Guru Sri Sri Ravishankar has taken a new turn to the world of real estate. A day after AoL lodged a police complaint that an extortionist was making threatening calls, allegations have surfaced that the ashram has occupied the land illegally.
Agni Sridhar, a don-turned film maker has been having a running battle with Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. He has alleged that a part of the land occupied by Art of Living belongs to Paul Fernandez, a businessman.
The calls were allegedly made by Agni Sridhar, a don-turned journalist and filmmaker, demanding Rs 42 crore. AoL confirmed that it was Sridhar who made the calls. Sridhar too confirmed that the cell phone numbers mentioned in the complaint belonged to him.
Soon, Sridhar came out in the open and told the media in Bangalore that he had only asked AoL to pay up Rs 42 crore for the land that belonged to one Paul Fernandez, a businessman from Kerala.
Sridhar said that AoL had taken away his friend Paul's land and had not paid up. He alleged that the AoL lodged a police complaint on extortion only to gag his voice as he given notice to launch an agitation against the Ashram.
In a counter complaint with the police, Sridhar has alleged that the AoL had filed a false complaint against him and sought an investigation into the land issue.
The Art of Living ashram according to Paul Fernandez was told that the money for the land was paid by him.
Addressing a press conference here on Wednesday, Sridhar pointed out that his calls were not mysterious or sudden and that he had been holding talks with AoL for the past month."After Paul approached me, Swamiji wanted to meet me. For the past one month, there have been calls to my phone from the Ashram. After the intervention of a local Gram Panchayat and Zilla Panchayat member, I went to the Ashram and held a meeting with Sri Sri Ravishankar for more than one-and-half hours. When such is the case, why should I threaten him over phone," he asked.
The story, according to Sridhar is this: Paul Fernandez had paid for the land that is now occupied by AoL. This triggered a litigation in 1995.
Paul, who was also present at the press conference, said he had told AoL that he had paid for the land and showed the sale agreements. But AoL ignored this and got the land registered in its name.
Art of Living, however, says that they have no knowledge of the deal.
Paul said he had purchased a land adjacent to the AoL complex through a power of attorney 12 years ago. The owner of the land died before executing the absolute sale deed and only then he came to know that the land had been pledged to a cooperative society. AoL purchased the land from the society. "Since I had already spent Rs 10 million on the land, I was forced to approach AoL seeking either return of the land or fair compensation," he said.
At another press conference, Prasad Konnar, a senior faculty, and Prasanna Prabhu, a trustee of AoL said: "Agni Sridhar had visited the ashram with a proposal for initiating joint social development projects with his organisation as well as with other Dalit organisations known to him. During the discussion, he praised guruji and the ashram programmes."
According to Agni Sridhar, he had met Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and told him about the land deal. But Art of Living counters this by saying that Sridhar hadcome and met the Guru as a devotee and to discuss social projects.
"He (Sridhar) invited guruji to his place. On June 21, Ravishankar deputed three seniors - Prasad, Prasanna and Raju Gowda - to visit Sridhar. After exchanging pleasantries, we were taken aback when Sridhar changed his tone and the topic. He wanted us to inform the top brass of the ashram to settle the issue. If not, he had some CDs and documents to malign the ashram."
"We passed on his message and for the next three days, we got SMS and calls from Sridhar's mobile phone number enquiring about the money."
But Sridhar had a different take. "On June 18, I personally met the guruji and discussed a settlement with regard to encroachment of some land belonging to realtor Paul Fernandez, by the ashram." Sridhar said the realtor had sought his help. "I decided to call the media as my cellphone number was mentioned in the (ashram's) police complaint."
Said AoL: "We bought 15 acres of land from Vijay on February 5, 2007 and we are in possession of all the legal documents. The charge of land encroachment is baseless and fabricated."
Source: India Syndicate
K.Venugopal
#1
Thursday, 01 July 2010 16:45:04
The so called controversy is unlikely to be an issue at all. The local government land records office can give the correct position as to ownership of the land and the ashram should place the records in public domain so that the controversy dies a natural death. The ashram appears to have legally bought the land from the party to whom it was hypothecated, who subsequently expired. The relatives have now hired a gangster to see if the ashram can be forced to pay an imagined compensation for land which was legally bought. The point is, who are the people who have cooked up a false picture to malign the ashram? The ashram must expose them. The gangster is only a conduit. Could anti-Hindu forces be behind the efforts?
K.Venugopal
#1
Thursday, 01 July 2010 21:18:08
Dear Ananthaswamy
1.Should not a swamiji(sanyasi) be beyond suspicion of worly things.?
If some people cook up things to make a suspect of Swamiji, what can he do? He has to take to legal recourse, which he will do.
2.Why do they travel in expensive cars.?they can always so no just like other real sanyas.
This idea of expensive cars and cheap cars may be in the head of materialists. Spiritual gurus simply travel in the vehicle provided by the disciples, whether it is a Mercedes or bullock-cart.
3.If sanyas is perfect & speaks truth then why did he say that somebody was trying to kill him when actually a Dog was the target & not this God.?
He at no time said somebody was trying to kill him. He simply said a shot has been fired and it should be looked into seriously.
4.Why dont THEY allow children in the shopping mall in your ashram(they presume that children steal & actually do not purchase)
I don’t know about this. It is for the Ashram to explain.
5.What other skill & knowledge does he possess apart from breathing exercise which anycase all yogis practice but marketed well by AOL.
Teaching breathing exercise alone would qualify him to have the gratitude of his disciples because breathing properly is the basis of health. Sri Sri Ravi is also imparting knowledge of the deepest philosophies of Hinduism in very simple language. This is a bonus to mankind.
6.Why do they collect so much money for a simple breathing technology.?
This is one question I too have. I think they ought to teach it free.
7.Why do they insist that the technology shuould be initiated by gurujis cassete & not somebody else.(justlike mosquito liquid manufacturers insist that it works best in their machines)
You have the freedom to listen to any cassette, not just Sri Sri Ravi’s. If you want to know what he is teaching, then of course you have to listen to his cassette. Simple, is it not?
8.Why doesnt he clarify his sexuality since people have a doubt.?
Why don’t you start walking naked on the streets so that no one has any doubts about yours?
IF SOMEBODY CAN ANSWER 4 QUESTIONS ,HE NEED NOT ANSWER OTHER 4.
I WILL NEVER ASK MORE QUERIES I HAVE IN ANY FORUM
Have I answered the quota of your questions? Are you not going to ask any more questions in any forum?
Dear Ananthaswamy
#4
I have not asked the questions to get an answer" like" GETthe REPLY FROM ASHRAM" I DONT KNOW." "THIS IS ONE QUESTION I ALSO DO NOT KNOW"
If I do not know the answer to a question, what else do I say?
"RUN NAKED ON THE ROAD & SHOW WHO I AM ""WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS ME I WILL GET A DOCTORS CERTIFICATE RATHER THAN RUN ON THE ROAD NAKED. Since I belong to a tribe called CIVILISED.
You claim you are civilised. But was it civilised of you to ask of a person to clarify his sexuality? Have you considered clarifying your sexuality? You would be able to do so if you run naked on the road, grab headlines. I don’t think a civilized person would have asked the question you did. So I simply gave you a taste of your own medicine. Thank you but I am not at all interested in your sexuality.
As regards your other answers you say that YOU ARE FREE TO LISTEN TO ANY CASSETTE.SORRY I HAVE GONE TO AOL COURSE WHOSE TEACHERS CLEARLY INSIST ON INITIATION THRO CASSETE(SINCE OBVIOUSLY HE CANNOT BE EVERYWHERE )!OR DIRECTLY GURUJI
Because you are in democratic India, you are free to listen to any cassette. If the teachers in the ashram insist on something, it is your choice to do it or not. Have they forced you to buy their cassettes? If they clearly say that initiation is through the cassette or directly by Guruji, how can you fault them?
As regards your other answers that Ravishankar never said that only bullet came & investigate.PLEASE REFER TO THEIR COMPLAINT & P.CHIDAMBARAM & POLICECHIEF'S & NEWSPAPER REPORTS & VIDEO RECORDINGS.HE CLEARLY CLAIMED THAT SOMEBODY WAS TRING TO KILL HIM & HE SUSPECTED NAXALITES FROM WESTBENGAL & CHATTISGARH SINCE THEY WERE JEALOUS OF HIM.
Please give me at least one link where he said somebody was trying to kill him. I think he only said he did not rule out the Naxalites as some may not be happy with his peace efforts and may be behind the incident with the aim of creating panic.
Mr.VENUGOPAL,YOU HAVE ANSWER ONLY ONE QUESTION THATIS REGARDING CAR USAGE WHIVCH I ACCEPT AS A CIVILISED DEBATE ANSWER(THOUGH I DONT AGREE).
THEREFORE I ADVICE YOU PLEASE DO NOT ENTER INTO PUBLIC DEBATE WITHOUT GETTING YOUR FACTS CORRECTLY & BECOME A LAUGHING STOCK.
I stated what I know and tried to express it in a straight forward manner. If anyone wishes to laugh it is their prerogative.
IF YOU STILL HAVE ANY DECENCY LEFT & BELIEVING YOU ARE A DEVOTEE OF SAINT I EXPECT AN APOLOGY FROM YOU & I DO NOT EXPECT A FOUL LNGUAGE REPLY.INCASE YOU DO THEN I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR GURU TEACHES .YOUR REPLY REFLECTS YOUR LEARNING.
What is this about believing that one is a devotee? Either one is or one is not. I am not a devotee of Sri Sri Ravi. I did not use foul language. Can you tell me where I have? I do not think I have written anything that calls for my apology. Can you tell me why I should apologize?
Dear gdgdxx
No use trying to white wash ravisankar
Giving one’s opinion is not tantamount to whitewashing anyone.
Nice to hear you suggest that ravi sankar is using luxury car that was probably donated by his devotee. So does that mean he have only got devotees amongst the rich ?
Look, this rich-poor divide is a material divide. Spiritual masters like Sri Sri Ravi come to infuse us with spiritual understanding. With spiritual understanding we shall cease to consider ourselves poor just because we do not have above a certain amount in the bank or house of a certain size and make or consumer goods of all sorts. Real poverty is in the sense of lack the mind suffers from due to lack of spiritual understanding.
Would he ride a bicycle if some other middle class devotee where to gift it to him ?
Why not? I am sure he would if he were to visit a place like Matheran, the famous hill station in Maharashtra, where automobiles are not permitted.
Of course there could have been many gifts that he got.
It is not taboo to accept gifts. The problem is when one becomes attached with the gifts.
As he obviously uses only the best and nicest of stuff , what would differentiate him from the nouveau rich ?
The difference is that the materially rich can only use the best and nicest of stuff. The spiritually rich will not miss the best and nicest of stuff if they are not available.
Also it couldn't be just ravishankar himself fully in control , who knows there are more powerful ones behind him who pulls the strings ?
There is always such a possibility in the case of so-called Swamis who life history we do not know. But the history of spiritual savants like Sri Sri Ravi and Mata Amritananda Mayi are well known and they have taken to spiritualism since their childhood. So the question of anyone controlling them does not arise.
If he just TEACH others of his exercises , how can be called SPIRITUAL leader ? At best he can only be considered a fitness instructor !!
What he teaches are not just exercises, which by itself is not a bad thing and fitness instructors should be respected. But Sri Sri Ravi teaches yoga and pranayama and other aspects of Hinduism. That is why he is a respected spiritual master.
Dear Ananthaswamy
SORRY I DIDNT ANSWER ONE MORE QUESTION FROM VENUGOPAL.HE SAID WHAT CAN ANYBODY DO WHEN PEOPLE MAKE FALSE ALLEGATIONS.NOW IN ALL THEIR LIFE DID ANYBODY DARE TO SUSPECT NELSONMANDELA,MOTHERTHERESA,ABDULKALAM,VISWESHWARAIAH,C.RAJGOPALCHARI,M.S.SUBBALAKSHMI,J.N .TATA,SWAMI VIVEKANANDA,RAMAKRISHNAPARAMAHAMSA.LALBAHADURSHASTRI,JAYAPRAKAHNARAYAN......ETC.YOU WOULD NOT EVEN HEARD OF THE OTHER NAMES I CAN MENTION.
That is the whole point. I think there is a conspiracy to defame Hindu icons because Hinduism is being spread far and wide by them.
Dear citizen_indian
There have always been frauds in the garb of honest people. The existence of frauds does not prove that honest people do not exist. To suggest all swamis of today are frauds is rather unfair. You may name a particular swami and charge him of being a fraud. If your charges stick, that swami would have his goose cooked. But simply alleging charges against all and sundry swamis is probably with ulterior motives – hoping that such charges would sully the fair name of all Hindu gurus. Hinduism, which has survived through the ages where many other religions have floundered, is still alive and kicking. Those ill motivated against it would not have their evil plans succeed.
citizen_indian
I will just compare the modern swamis who are hi tech and use very beutiful worlds like corporate culture for their business.
Respected Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji and Buddha ....they never "advertise'" their teachings . They never "use" it as a tool for their social publicity . They treated Poor and rich with same eye, rather they preferred poors as they were there to share their sorrows . It was Almighty's Grace and wisdom that they were representative of and people get attracted to them automatically . Guru used to visit villages while they were just travelling but who ever get in contact with them got blessed and their super natural power got spread throuh people . Money was least concerend to them ....
They live forever in this world , that's true guru who takes you to GOD.
Today i see babas posing as gining Ashirwad , acting as self declared representative of GOD !!!! They are just good speakers who know loophpoles in our system and have feel of our pulse ..... They are going to face the justice of GOD one day definitely ..
mohit_de_1977
Here are the normal supporting sentiments expressed by the devotees of SRI X 2 RAVI SHANKAR -
1. He uses the money for good causes - Hmm.. Interesting. Did somebody audit him or did you folks audited him and found out that all the money is accounted for. Can he provided audited reports with due taxation file?
I think you are not aware that all institutions, whether commercial or Trust, have mandatorily to be audited. So what make you think that the Ashram is not audited? The Income Tax Department would not have remained silent if the Ashram had not filed its income tax returns and audit report. As far as I know, the Income Tax Department has not charged the Ashram for not filing its returns.
2. He spreads Love : Statistics - 72% of the devotees of Guruji have decided to go with Celibacy. Well that ain't much of love is there. Statistics - out of these 72%, 93% of them spend more than 60% of their income for Guruji in Long term/ Short Term. Instead of spending on their ailing parents or other needy folks they spend on his YATRAS to US and other parts of the world.
It appears that you recognise only the sexual act as love. What stops a celibate from radiating love? In fact, if they are on the spiritual path, they are likely to radiate more love because their love doesn’t ask for anything in return. About looking after ailing parents or other needy folks, your statistics do not prove that they do not do these. A spiritual person becomes seva minded and he serves without expecting anything in return and they are more likely to look after their ailing parents because they do not have any encumbrances.
3. Guruji's teaching cannot be interpreted until you become part of it and learn from him : I agree, once I get into AOL, I will learn everything like good old deciples have and have attainted nirvana. See the points above - Norvana through money .. SPARE US.
Is Guruji forcing you to learn from him? If he has conditions for teaching, that is between him and his disciples, is it not?
4. Guruji has done so much for the world : Yes and more for himself - He is a broker who takes commision between needy and the deciples.
This is mere character assassination. You can call him a broker. But you must do more than that to have your charges stick. Name calling will not do. You can either file a case against him or wait for him to be trapped, if ever by his own commissions and omissions.
5. HE is GOD : Get yourself a break. If he were a GOD, he won't need money. Tickets @US to his crappy workshops range from 600 USD to 27k USD.
Please tell me where he has said he is God? If he has used the word God about him, that is part of the Hindu understanding of the essence of man. Please do not superimpose the understanding of the word God by the Abrahamic religions with the understanding of the word God by Hinduism.
6. HE is cute : If he is cute, then I am Superman.
Hi, Superman!
I will just compare the modern swamis who are hi tech and use very beutiful worlds like corporate culture for their business.
Respected Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji and Buddha ....they never "advertise'" their teachings . They never "use" it as a tool for their social publicity . They treated Poor and rich with same eye, rather they preferred poors as they were there to share their sorrows . It was Almighty's Grace and wisdom that they were representative of and people get attracted to them automatically . Guru used to visit villages while they were just travelling but who ever get in contact with them got blessed and their super natural power got spread throuh people . Money was least concerend to them ....
They live forever in this world , that's true guru who takes you to GOD.
Today i see babas posing as gining Ashirwad , acting as self declared representative of GOD !!!! They are just good speakers who know loophpoles in our system and have feel of our pulse ..... They are going to face the justice of GOD one day definitely ..
mohit_de_1977
Here are the normal supporting sentiments expressed by the devotees of SRI X 2 RAVI SHANKAR -
1. He uses the money for good causes - Hmm.. Interesting. Did somebody audit him or did you folks audited him and found out that all the money is accounted for. Can he provided audited reports with due taxation file?
I think you are not aware that all institutions, whether commercial or Trust, have mandatorily to be audited. So what make you think that the Ashram is not audited? The Income Tax Department would not have remained silent if the Ashram had not filed its income tax returns and audit report. As far as I know, the Income Tax Department has not charged the Ashram for not filing its returns.
2. He spreads Love : Statistics - 72% of the devotees of Guruji have decided to go with Celibacy. Well that ain't much of love is there. Statistics - out of these 72%, 93% of them spend more than 60% of their income for Guruji in Long term/ Short Term. Instead of spending on their ailing parents or other needy folks they spend on his YATRAS to US and other parts of the world.
It appears that you recognise only the sexual act as love. What stops a celibate from radiating love? In fact, if they are on the spiritual path, they are likely to radiate more love because their love doesn’t ask for anything in return. About looking after ailing parents or other needy folks, your statistics do not prove that they do not do these. A spiritual person becomes seva minded and he serves without expecting anything in return and they are more likely to look after their ailing parents because they do not have any encumbrances.
3. Guruji's teaching cannot be interpreted until you become part of it and learn from him : I agree, once I get into AOL, I will learn everything like good old deciples have and have attainted nirvana. See the points above - Norvana through money .. SPARE US.
Is Guruji forcing you to learn from him? If he has conditions for teaching, that is between him and his disciples, is it not?
4. Guruji has done so much for the world : Yes and more for himself - He is a broker who takes commision between needy and the deciples.
This is mere character assassination. You can call him a broker. But you must do more than that to have your charges stick. Name calling will not do. You can either file a case against him or wait for him to be trapped, if ever by his own commissions and omissions.
5. HE is GOD : Get yourself a break. If he were a GOD, he won't need money. Tickets @US to his crappy workshops range from 600 USD to 27k USD.
Please tell me where he has said he is God? If he has used the word God about him, that is part of the Hindu understanding of the essence of man. Please do not superimpose the understanding of the word God by the Abrahamic religions with the understanding of the word God by Hinduism.
6. HE is cute : If he is cute, then I am Superman.
Hi, Superman!
7. HE was in Iraq bringing peace and smiles on faces of people there and how much money flowed through his Ashram is not investigated by government, perhaps he is a conduit to ministers' stashed money!!
It was courageous of him to have gone to Iraq. A batch of Iraqis visited his ashram to learn more about his teachings. Money might be flowing through his Ashram. The onus of proving it is illegal is upon those who make allegations.
8. HE was in Sri Lanka to hobnob with LTTE brokering peace again and how much money went through Ashram a/c for arms deals is not investigated!!
Investigation is the duty of those who have the powers to do so. Please petition such powers to investigate.
9. HE keeps going to trouble locations with regular visits to USA so that monthly remittances can be verified and distributed to other locations as generous donations!!
Is there an allegation of wrong-doing here?
10. HE never gives a direct answer if you shoot a question out of ignorance. HE will ask your innerself to answer or state your question has the answer! If you know to ask for an answer, you will bot shoot the question!!
It is upto the Guru to decide how he teaches. If you are not satisfied with his teachings you can go to other gurus. If you think no guru can teach you, you may start to character-assassinate them.
11. If regular interviews are not aired by leading TV Channels, he stagemanages per week/month an incident so that people follow him and attach themselves sympathetically and financially.
I don’t think he needs to stage-manage anything. He is already a star attracting publicity in his own right.
12. Art of Cheating is one mastered by all sadhus and swamis of India since there is enough money to be taken out of ministers, babus, rich business men (who can park the black money ) and general weak public.
If you master the Art of Living, you don’t need to master any art of cheating.
Lord save them from the demon!!
Amen.
K.Venugopal, We undestand you are his very big devotee, We are expressing our thoughts. Please don't reply. Go and pray. Do what you are good at..
I am not Sri Sri Ravi’s devotee. You don’t need to be a devotee to recognise mud-slinging when you see it. Please continue expressing your thoughts.
K.Venugopal, please don't reply to my post. You do not have facts. If you reply, it shall also mean that you are as big a fraud as your Guruji. ANYHOW FOLKS ignore Venugopal K.Venugopal and his stupid comments. He ain't getting enough. He needs to go out more. Guruji is 'DHONGI' and 'PAKHANDI'. Matter of time before his PAKHAND is in the open.
I am amused that you do not wish your comments to be contested though you have put it up in a public forum. Maybe your idea of freedom of expression is a one-sided maligning of those whom you do not like.
I wanted to stop arguing with a guy who talks without facts.Mr.Mohith dont worry .I will anwer that Venugopal. He said HE WENT TO US & COLLECTED DONATION -WHATS IS WRONG?THE REAL REASON IS HE WENT TO BUY NITYANANDA'S DEVOTEES WHO DESERTED HIM & ALSO BUY HIS PROPERTY OR SHOULD I SAY TAKE OVER-LIKE CORPORATS .IS THIS SANYAS OR BUSINESS.THAT IS MORALLY & ETHICALLY WRONG.I KNOW HE ASKS FOR THE PROOF.I HAVE IT.
The points that you make sound more like gossip. Why don’t you share with us the proof you have against the Swami? Or is it going to be more gossip?
ALL HIS OTHER ARGUMENTS ARE NAIVE.SO NO POINT IN ANSWERING.
I think you are not countering my points because you are unable to.
ANYWAY CAN HE ANSWER WHY HE IS CALLED SRI SRI(TWISE) & WHICH UNIVERSITY OR PERSON OR GOVT GAVE HIM THE TITLE.NORMALLY I THOUGHT HONOURS ARE BESTOWED NOT AWARDED BY SELF. SOMEBODY ON CNN-IBN ASKED THIS QUESTION.FOR THIS SIRS REPLY WAS IT IS ACTUALLY SRI SRI...1000TIMES AND NOT TWICE!
Since you have nothing credible to say, you are asking why he is called this way or that way. I am sure he himself would have clarified it and I if I come upon his clarification, I shall pass it on to you.
MYDEAR VENUGOPAL,I KNOW THIS MAN WHEN HE WAS GIVING TALK AT WORLD CULTURE.I REALLY THOUGHT THAT HE HAD STUFF WHEN HE ORGANISED A MEETING WITH DALAILAMA IN BANGALORE. NOW I KNOW THAT DALAILAMA IS DALAILAMA THE GREAT.HE SEES GOOD IN EVERYONE.THEREFORE HE GOT NOBELPRIZE. BUT I LOST THE GOODWILL WHEN HE STARTED COLLECTING SO MUCH MONEY & WHEN I SAW THAT ASHRAM IS A PURE COMMERCIAL CENTRE WHERE CHILDREN ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THEIR MALLS & MORE
You have the right to form your own opinion about anyone but your opinions should not be prejudiced.
GOODLUCK VENUGOPAL. Good-luck to you too.
http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4098390&page=0
It was courageous of him to have gone to Iraq. A batch of Iraqis visited his ashram to learn more about his teachings. Money might be flowing through his Ashram. The onus of proving it is illegal is upon those who make allegations.
8. HE was in Sri Lanka to hobnob with LTTE brokering peace again and how much money went through Ashram a/c for arms deals is not investigated!!
Investigation is the duty of those who have the powers to do so. Please petition such powers to investigate.
9. HE keeps going to trouble locations with regular visits to USA so that monthly remittances can be verified and distributed to other locations as generous donations!!
Is there an allegation of wrong-doing here?
10. HE never gives a direct answer if you shoot a question out of ignorance. HE will ask your innerself to answer or state your question has the answer! If you know to ask for an answer, you will bot shoot the question!!
It is upto the Guru to decide how he teaches. If you are not satisfied with his teachings you can go to other gurus. If you think no guru can teach you, you may start to character-assassinate them.
11. If regular interviews are not aired by leading TV Channels, he stagemanages per week/month an incident so that people follow him and attach themselves sympathetically and financially.
I don’t think he needs to stage-manage anything. He is already a star attracting publicity in his own right.
12. Art of Cheating is one mastered by all sadhus and swamis of India since there is enough money to be taken out of ministers, babus, rich business men (who can park the black money ) and general weak public.
If you master the Art of Living, you don’t need to master any art of cheating.
Lord save them from the demon!!
Amen.
K.Venugopal, We undestand you are his very big devotee, We are expressing our thoughts. Please don't reply. Go and pray. Do what you are good at..
I am not Sri Sri Ravi’s devotee. You don’t need to be a devotee to recognise mud-slinging when you see it. Please continue expressing your thoughts.
K.Venugopal, please don't reply to my post. You do not have facts. If you reply, it shall also mean that you are as big a fraud as your Guruji. ANYHOW FOLKS ignore Venugopal K.Venugopal and his stupid comments. He ain't getting enough. He needs to go out more. Guruji is 'DHONGI' and 'PAKHANDI'. Matter of time before his PAKHAND is in the open.
I am amused that you do not wish your comments to be contested though you have put it up in a public forum. Maybe your idea of freedom of expression is a one-sided maligning of those whom you do not like.
I wanted to stop arguing with a guy who talks without facts.Mr.Mohith dont worry .I will anwer that Venugopal. He said HE WENT TO US & COLLECTED DONATION -WHATS IS WRONG?THE REAL REASON IS HE WENT TO BUY NITYANANDA'S DEVOTEES WHO DESERTED HIM & ALSO BUY HIS PROPERTY OR SHOULD I SAY TAKE OVER-LIKE CORPORATS .IS THIS SANYAS OR BUSINESS.THAT IS MORALLY & ETHICALLY WRONG.I KNOW HE ASKS FOR THE PROOF.I HAVE IT.
The points that you make sound more like gossip. Why don’t you share with us the proof you have against the Swami? Or is it going to be more gossip?
ALL HIS OTHER ARGUMENTS ARE NAIVE.SO NO POINT IN ANSWERING.
I think you are not countering my points because you are unable to.
ANYWAY CAN HE ANSWER WHY HE IS CALLED SRI SRI(TWISE) & WHICH UNIVERSITY OR PERSON OR GOVT GAVE HIM THE TITLE.NORMALLY I THOUGHT HONOURS ARE BESTOWED NOT AWARDED BY SELF. SOMEBODY ON CNN-IBN ASKED THIS QUESTION.FOR THIS SIRS REPLY WAS IT IS ACTUALLY SRI SRI...1000TIMES AND NOT TWICE!
Since you have nothing credible to say, you are asking why he is called this way or that way. I am sure he himself would have clarified it and I if I come upon his clarification, I shall pass it on to you.
MYDEAR VENUGOPAL,I KNOW THIS MAN WHEN HE WAS GIVING TALK AT WORLD CULTURE.I REALLY THOUGHT THAT HE HAD STUFF WHEN HE ORGANISED A MEETING WITH DALAILAMA IN BANGALORE. NOW I KNOW THAT DALAILAMA IS DALAILAMA THE GREAT.HE SEES GOOD IN EVERYONE.THEREFORE HE GOT NOBELPRIZE. BUT I LOST THE GOODWILL WHEN HE STARTED COLLECTING SO MUCH MONEY & WHEN I SAW THAT ASHRAM IS A PURE COMMERCIAL CENTRE WHERE CHILDREN ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THEIR MALLS & MORE
You have the right to form your own opinion about anyone but your opinions should not be prejudiced.
GOODLUCK VENUGOPAL. Good-luck to you too.
http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4098390&page=0
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