Australian town 'under siege' from camels

Associated Press, Friday November 27, 2009, Docker River

State authorities in Australia plan to corral about 6,000 wild camels with helicopters and gun them down after they overran a small town in Australia's Outback in search of water, trampling fences, smashing tanks and contaminating supplies.

The Northern Territory government announced its plan on Wednesday for Docker River, a town of 350 residents where thirsty camels have been arriving daily for weeks because of drought conditions in the region.

"Docker River is under siege by 6000 marauding, wild camels," local government minister Rob Knight said in Alice Springs, 310 miles (500 kilometres) northeast of Docker.

The camels, which are not native to Australia but were introduced in the 1840s, have smashed water tanks, approached houses to try to take water from air conditioning units, and knocked down fencing at the small airport runway, Knight said.

The carcasses of camels killed in stampedes at water storage areas are contaminating the water supply, he added.

The government plans to use helicopters to herd the camels about nine miles (15 kilometres) outside of town next week, where they will be shot and their carcasses left to decay in the desert.
The state government will give a 49-thousand Australian dollar (45-thousand US dollars) grant for the cull and for damaged infrastructure to the town.

It is common to see some camels in the remote community, but a continuing drought and an early heat wave have dried up other water sources and forced great numbers of them into town.

Much of Australia is gripped by some of the worst drought conditions on record.

In August, the federal government set aside 19 million Australian dollars for a programme to slash the wild camel population, including a possible mass slaughter.

An executive director of national advocacy group Animals Australia, said the plan to kill camels by helicopter was barbaric, and that the community could instead focus on setting up barriers to keep out the camels.

Camels were first brought to Australia to help explorers travel through the desert, and now an estimated one million roam wild across the country.

They compete with sheep and cattle for food, trample vegetation and invade remote settlements in search of water, scaring residents as they tear apart bathrooms and rip up water pipes.

Docker River residents were not especially concerned when about 30 camels came into the town looking for water a few weeks ago, said Graham Taylor, head of the local council.

But their fears grew as more animals arrived day by day.

He said many people were too frightened to leave their homes because of the big, strong animals, which can grow up to 7 feet (2.1 meters) tall and weigh two-thousand pounds (900 kilograms).

In April, Taylor had said water supplies had been broken and damaged.

He said sewers were getting trampled and crushed and that the airport was virtually unusable.

It is shocking that the Australian authorities plan to kill 6,000 camels. Can't something be done to save them?

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Vinay Katiyar: It was the proudest day of my life

NDTV Correspondent, Monday November 23, 2009, Ayodhya

Vinay Katiyar is among the BJP leaders indicted by the Liberhan Report, which says, "there is no doubt that the second rung of the leadership was involved with bringing down the mosque...this includes Kalyan Singh, Uma Bharti, Vinay Katiyar..."

Speaking to NDTV, Katiyar said that the day the mosque fell was the proudest day of his life, but denied that his party planned the demolition.

The BJP's LK Advani has repeatedly asserted that December 6, 1992 "was the saddest day" of his life.

BJP spokesperson Ravi Shankar Prasad tells NDTV that if Justice Liberhan does indeed indict the BJP's top leadership, as reported by NDTV, then the BJP holds that, " this is not a report...but a political indictment."

Prasad also criticized the report for its "conscious effort to exonerate Narasimha Rao." The former prime minister is described as "daydreaming" while accepting the BJP's assurances that the Babri Masjid would not be demolished. Other than that, though, Rao and the central government are given a clean chit by Justice Liberhan.

I think Vinay Katiyar should be made the next BJP President.

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Liberhan slams media, says he did not leak Babri report

Updated on Monday, November 23, 2009, 16:32 IST Tags:Liberhan, Liberhan REPORT

Chandigarh: Upset over the "leakage" of his report on Babri Masjid demolition, Justice (retd) Manmohan Singh Liberhan today said he was not a "characterless" person who will hand it over to the media.

"I will not speak on the report. If the report is with the media, then go and find out from where the media got it and who provided the report," a visibly angry Liberhan told reporters at his residence in sector nine here.

When it was pointed out that the opposition had been alleging that the report was "selectively leaked" and asked whether it was leaked from "his side", Liberhan said, "let the opposition say anything, but what do you mean by this?


"Don't challenge my character...get lost," a perturbed Liberhan, who lost his cool, said.

"I am not a person who is accessible to you (media)...I don't want to talk about it," he said.

"I am not that characterless a person that I will hand over the report to the media before being placed in Parliament," Liberhan said.

A newspaper report claimed that the one-man Liberhan Commission, which probed the December 6, 1992 demolition, had indicted former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, Leader of Opposition L K Advani and BJP leader Murli Manohar Joshi among others for the incident.

PTI

The Liberhan Report would no doubt be one of merit due to the long labour that went into it. While the report has not yet been tabled in the Parliament and we have only a leaked portion in the press, the supposed comment by the commission that the Ram Janmabhoomi movement was not supported by the Hindus at large appears to be a conclusion that does not seem borne out by facts. They very fact that BJP swept to power in UP from a position of negligible presence is proof enough that the movement and its success had widespread Hindu participation. Anyway, I hope the Report would contain the criteria by which the eminent Justice formed the opinion that Ram Janmabhoomi movement was not a mass movement.

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Backless Kareena: What real purpose does it serve?

- by satyaswarup mohanty 21 Nov 2009
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Category: Entertainment
Some activities, although seems like an intelligemt move by the person or the organization in the pursuit of their self or business promotion mutate into embarassing and self defeating acts. One such incident is the attempt to publicise the film "Kurban". Eventhough we assume that the film has a good story line and an engaging rendition and has all the elements to to be accepted by the viewers, we wonder why the promoters have choosen the easiest path of appealing to the lower instincts of the viewers to draw their attention The common man who comes to see backless Kareena and the roving eyes of Saif groping over her bosom in the promotional poster will tend to forget all the finer aspects of the film when he finally decides to watch it in the theatres as he will have the promo picture in the back of his mind and would be eager to see it on the screen as early as possible. This pre-conditioned mind will deprive him of the aesthetic and artistic appraisal of the film and formulation of any critical response. The promoters of the film might succeed in their attempt to tax his time and wallet, but the objective of eliciting applaud on the artistic count will definitely be lost. If box office suceess is the only parameter and hijacking attention is the only objective, then that could be achieved through many spurious means. Kareena kapoor could well have been repalced by any artiste who oozes more oomph than her ,the role of Saif remaininfg constant. Kareena has done a great disservice to her image and the promoters to the film as they have given more emphasis to the gimmicks than their talent and worth. There are ample examples where films have succeeded on the strength of their script and strong portrayals of characters rather than on glitz and sleaze. Had the promoters of the film prioritized critical acclaim over instant gain, they didn't have to take recourse to such obnoxious means and the outcome could well have been very different.

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K.Venugopal - Mumbai on 11/22/2009 12:37:39 PM
The producers of the film may not have been sure of the box-office fate of their film and wanting to take no chances, also threw in a backless Kareena for good measure. This is inevitable when a producer's first priority is to make money.

Indroop - Phagwara on 11/22/2009 12:23:58 PM
Maybe some 5-10 years I would have agreed with your criticism but now i believe its a part of society and you need to be more broadminded

Zara - Maldives on 11/22/2009 11:38:05 AM
Fantastically criticized!!!

Julian George - Trivandrum on 11/22/2009 9:52:12 AM
All industry today is purely money oriented and I am sad to say the orientation and richness of pure art is literally lost. Today most women around me look the same. I don't know why. They are either too plump or the too thin. nothing is beautiful anymore. Where is a simple poetry in today? I smile because I have not seen a nice simple movie in many languages that has good song and the blend of good acting in a long time. We are loosing out.

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Row over jehad: Jethmalani questions God's credentials

21/11/2009
New Delhi: Former union law minister Ram Jethmalani Saturday kicked up a row at an international conference on terrorism, asking if Islam's jehadi doctrine does not virtually render "god a brothel keeper", prompting a Saudi Arabian envoy to walk out of the conference.
Addressing the seminar, Jethmalani wondered if the jehadi doctrine, propagating the belief allegedly held by Islam's Wahab sect that Muslims attaining martyrdom while fighting non-Muslims "get a place in heaven and the company of the opposite sex there", does not amount to saying that "god is a brothel keeper".

The self-confessed maverick legal hawk also went on to equate god as someone "suffering with Alzheimer's disease", while advising the Indian government and the international community against trusting god in fighting terrorism.
"He will not help as he is suffering with Alzheimer's disease," said Jethmalani, while advising the government to junk its obsession with "an irrelevant non-aligned movement" and "join the forces of good to fight forces of evil".

Jethmalani made "the non-mincing" remarks at an international conference of jurists on terrorism, inaugurated by President Pratibha Patil and attended among others by Singapore Chief Justice Chan Sek Keong and Justice Awn S Al-Khasawneh of the International Court of Justice and envoys of several countries.

Jethmalani's remarks caused Saudi Arabia's Ambassador to India Faisal-al-Trad to walk out, while an embarrassed union Law Minister M. Veerappa Moily swiftly sought to distance himself and the government from the controversial remarks.
Justice Khasawneh contradicted Jethmalani on some facts referred to by him on the jehadi doctrine.
Jethmalani made the remark while dwelling upon the need to fight terrorism also at its ideological level.
"I am a student of all religions, including Islam and I have read the Koran several times. I find that the Prophet is a man of peace," said Jethmalani, adding that it nowhere preaches hate and violence.
"But the decline of Islam started in the 17th century when a person named Wahab propagated hate and violence against all non-Muslims by mis-interpreting one shora (verse) of the Koran," said Jethmalani.
"I have read that shora thousands of times, but I have not found anything wrong in it. But, according to Wahab, all other people, including Christians, Jews and Hindus, and even Shias have forfeited their rights to live," said Jethmalani.
Following Jethmalani's speech, Saudi Arabia's Ambassador Faisal-al-Trad was seen walking out of the conference, apparently taking offence at the remarks.

Organiser of the event Adesh Aggarwala said the ambassador had walked out but returned after Moily's statement that the views expressed by Jethmalani were not that of the government.
Moily, in his address, said that terrorism cannot be attributed to any particular religion.
It was unfortunate that the entire Islam as a religion was being blamed for terrorism, Jethmalani said, adding that "there are also Hindu terrorists and Buddhist terrorists".
Terming the Non-Aligned Movement and Panchsheel as evil, Jethmalani said "India should align with forces of good to combat the forces of evil. India and its foreign ministers must learn to reassess the doctrines of past."
He said India's foreign policy establishment should be courageous to shun any relationship with the country's "enemies".

Referring to Jethmalani's comments, Justice Awn S Al-Khasawneh, a judge of the International Court of Justice, asked him not "to make sweeping statements". He also said that the Wahab movement had started in the 18th century and not in 17th century as Jethmalani had remarked.
Source: Agencies


Bravo, Shri Ram about your insight about God being a brothel keeper. That's what Islam has reduced religion to. However, Shri Ram's insight that Mohammad is a man of peace is only partially correct. He was a man of peace in his early days and a man of war in his later days. This accounts for contradictory verses in the Quran that say "killing even one person is killing all humanity" and "ambush and kill them".

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Defiant Sena blames IBN for anti-Thackeray stance

21/11/2009

New Delhi/ Mumbai: While the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has strongly condemned Friday's attack by Shiv Sena activists on the offices of IBN-Lokmat network channel in Mumbai and Pune, defiant Shiv Sena has come out in the open defending attacks on IBN offices, blaming anti-Thackeray bias of the channel.
IBN-Lokmat TV channel journalists and other employees were beaten up and the channel's office property was vandalised by Shiv Sainiks to protest the alleged misquoting by the channel of party chief Bal Thackeray's remarks on cricketer Sachin Tendulkar.
BJP vice-president Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi told IANS that the incident was "unfortunate and strongly condemnable".
Without naming the Shiv Sena, Naqvi said that law is equal for all citizens of the country and action should be taken against those responsible for the incident.
The attack has drawn condemnation from all quarters.
Sena vandalised IBN offices; four injured
Shiv Sena activists Friday vandalised the offices of the IBN-Lokmat television channel in north-east Mumbai and in Pune and assaulted journalists, to protest the alleged misquoting of party chief Bal Thackeray's remarks on cricketer Sachin Tendulkar. The attack has drawn condemnation from all quarters.
Maharashtra Chief Minister Ashok Chavan assured strong action against attackers.
Armed with sticks and bats, a mob of 25 attacked the IBN-Lokmat office in Vikhroli here, damaging the furniture and fittings, glass partitions, OB vans and electronic equipment.
According to a channel staffer, the Sena activists barged into the channel office around 4 p.m., shouting slogans in favour of the Shiv Sena and Bal Thackeray.
Besides editor Nikhil Wagle, who was slapped, pushed around and had a chair flung at him, three other staffers sustained injuries in the Shiv Sena activists' attack.
A shaken Wagle said that some of the activists launched a brutal attack on the journalists and other staffers in the office, they caused extensive damage to the office, furniture and fittings there."The attack was preplanned, they had come armed with sticks and iron rods for creating the mayhem in our offices. They hurled a chair at me," Wagle told media persons.
The Shiv Sena owned up responsibility for the attack later Friday evening, while the vandalism drew condemnation from other political parties.
No one will be spared: Chavan
"The government shall not go soft on the Shiv Sena and the media should boycott the Shiv Sena," a grim Ashok Chavan told media persons Friday evening. The city police nabbed seven and Pune police arrested eight Shiv Sainiks for the attacks.
Home Minister R.R. Patil also condemned the attacks and assured newsmen that stern action would be taken against those involved.
Shiv Sena spokesman Sanjay Raut accused the channel of misquoting Thackeray's observations on cricket maestro Sachin Tendulkar in a signed article in the Sena mouthpiece "Saamana" last week.
"This is not an attack on the entire media. The (IBN-Lokmat) channel has been constantly misreporting about Bal Thackeray and targeting the Shiv Sena. We shall not tolerate any criticism of our party chief," Raut, a Sena Rajya Sabha MP, said.
"They also manhandled a few staffers, including women, and editor Nikhil Wagle and others," said Vijay Darda, chairman of the Lokmat group of newspapers that part-owns the channel.
Terming it as "an attack on the freedom of speech and media", Darda said he did not expect this from Sena executive president Uddhav Thackeray.
"I have always considered him as a refined, cultured and family person and what has happened has pained us," Darda told IANS.
He said the channel had been running several reports on the debacle of the Shiv Sena-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) alliance in last month's elections to the Mahastrata state assembly. "They have vented their frustration at the defeat on the journalists and the TV channel, which is highly condemnable," said Darda, a Congress member in the Rajya Sabha.
Darda, whose younger brother Rajendra is a Congress cabinet minister in Maharasthra, said it is "disturbing that the Sainiks have become so bold as to launch attacks on the media without any fear". South Mumbai Lok Sabha member Milind Deora, condemning the attacks, said the police must probe the top Sena leaders who had planned or instigated the attacks on the media house in Mumbai and Pune. D.K. Raikar, group editor of Lokmat Group of Newspapers, said the immediate provocation behind the attacks was not clear.He said that some of the activists who went on rampage were nabbed by some of the channel staffers and handed over to the police.
"They have broken the furniture and fittings, broken glass panels and partitions, several television sets, computers, communication lines, OB vans, uprooted carpets, etc.," Raikar told IANS after surveying the damages wreaked by the Sena men Friday evening.
Attacks carried out simultaneously in Pune
A similar attack was carried out simultaneously at the Pune office of the channel, and there too staffers were attacked. The Pune police have arrested at least eight people in this connection.
CNN-IBN chief Rajdeep Sardesai termed the attacks as "a shame" and condemned the Sena for the attaks. In Lucknow, the Samajwadi Party also condemned the attack, terming the attackers as anti-social elements.
"Be it the Shiv Sena or the Maharashtra Navnirmaan Sena (MNS), all are anti-social elements. They are spreading a feeling of regional difference amongst the states of the country. We appeal to the Election Commission to cancel the registration of such parties which do not follow the Indian constitution," Rajendra Chaudhary, spokesperson of the Samajwadi Party in Uttar Pradesh, told IANS.
Source: Agencies
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K.Venugopal
#1
21 November 2009 00:04:26
Some things are a dictum - freedom of the press; no one has the right to take law into their hands; violence is never the answer etc. But what is the remedy for irresponsible journalism? The press went to town over Bal Thackeray's open letter to imply that Bal Thackeray took an anti-Indian line vis-a-vis Sachin Tendulkar’s statement that he is an Indian first and Mumbai is for all Indians. The fact is that nowhere in the letter did Bal Thackeray condemn Sachin for being a patriotic Indian. In fact, Bal Thackeray himself said in the letter that he is proud to be an Indian and signed off his letter with Jai Hind. Shiv Sena’s so-called parochial pro-Marathi stand is actually a stand against the ghettoisation of urban centers because of unbridled influx of people from rural areas , which is a world-wide phenomenon. This problem can be resolved only by a national development policy that balances development so that mass movement to urban centres for employment is regulated. But the so-called secular press has consistently sought to portray Shiv Sena’s stand as anti-national when it is not.

Therefore while rightly condemning the vandalism by Shiv Sainiks, the press should also be asked to report in a balanced way so that reporting is not converted to propaganda.

pOokiD
#2
21 November 2009 00:03:21
akash... wut do mean by 'Christian' media?
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pOokiD
#3
21 November 2009 00:01:00
Yes anil, the ibn netwroks are biased, and cant forgive mr. sardesai for being adement and proud of telecasting the 26/11 attacks live helping the terrorists in the process....
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Brijesh Kanaujia
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20 November 2009 23:54:00
Shiv Sena Must ban completely in Maharashra. Those who are involved must booked and punish. Centre must intervence and handle this task state will not able to do any correct action. If centre not intervene then no use being central government such activities will be increase. Government of India not capable to run country then sell it to someone lot of buyer are there.
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prask
#5
20 November 2009 23:53:28
This is how our country runs...people will remember for 1 week and then go..eat and sleep. Politicians are like god in india nothing will hppn to them. Feel pity for the party workers who do all this kind of **** without realising how much money & effort is being invested to create something and for damaging just a matter of few minutes.
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Akash Deep Sharma
#6
20 November 2009 23:44:59
Any Christian media against Hinduism should be dealt with same blow.
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Anil Mumbai
#7
20 November 2009 23:43:03
This is not to condone the violence. This violence cannot be justified in democratic India.

There is also the flip side of this coin. CNNIBN has been extremly baised in its reporting of events that concern the parties in opposition.

On 28th March 2009 IBNlive made 7 references to BJP govt in Gujarat all very negative.Mr Sardesai has vilified the CM of Gujarat for 7 long years.

Does this channel not have a duty to report in an unbiased and fair manner.

Yes this channel is not watched by me since I have the remote which permitted me to remove it from my television set.It was nauseating to listen to the unrelenting diatribe against an individual on a daily basis.

I stopped writing on the site of the channel for the same reasons.

Shiv Sena instead of indulging in violence should have ignored this channel completely, which would have been a mature and acceptable form of protest.

Let us hope the culprits are punished and CNNIBN resorts to introspection and performs its duties in fair manner.
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vibb
#8
20 November 2009 23:35:54
I feel that the act shown by this vandalism should not be extended , but we should wait and see what Mr. R,R,Patil (H.M.) does and whether he fulfills the commitment he made yesterday . Hats off to Mr. Rajdeep Sardesai for bringing in the news to us. Rajdeep relax , we reuire people like u and do not get excited too much.......
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INTENSIVEKS
#9
20 November 2009 23:30:46
This VANDALISM and goondagardi IN THE name of CHATTRAPATI SHIVAJI is an act of COWARDICE which even the GR8 MARATHA WARRIOR would have SPAT upon if he were alive today.

If this kind of assaulting were to be permitted it won't be long before ALL Politicians go in for this kind of "vote catching" tactics

Why don't this SHAV SENA and their sibling the MNS hunt for terrorists and hit them in their addas if they have the guts???

They just cannot tolerate criticism though they consider it their "janmasiddha hak" to instigate and provoke people in cosmopolitan Mumbai.

Let them attack the powers that control the Mafias in Mumbai if they have any guts.

Let us know one People's movement they have organised to prevent the CONGESTION of Mumbai,let us know one thing they have done to make commute of people easier like helping out the Traffic Havildars and beating up the Trucks and Tempos who park haphazardly everywhere. Let us know what they have done to make RAIL SAFAR less SUFFER

COWARDS.
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Vikas Kumar
#10
20 November 2009 23:30:01
My dear Marathis, wake up . Don't use Goondas like Raj Thackeray and Bal Thackerey for your selfish needs. RAJ THACKERAY of the MNS and Bal Thackeray of the Shiv Sena are like the Talibans, who were once used by Americans and have now become their biggest enemies. In the same way, if Marathis support MNS and Shiv Sena, one day they will mean trouble for all Marathi families because they are goondas and taking help from goondas like Taliban by USA against Russia is that everybody knows. I want to ask one question. Why do we Indians go to foreign countries like USA and Australia? They should also treat us the same way we treat people from Bihar and UP. Suppose if something bad happens to Mumbai and Delhi like the Pakistanis dropping bombs there, will you not come to Bihar for shelter, if it’s a safer place. We should condemn the Central government and the state governments for not developing all the states of India equally.

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Suicide bombing kills 16 in Peshawar

19/11/2009
Peshawar: Yet another terror attack took place here Thursday when a suicide bomber struck at a court complex, killing at least 16 people and injuring 25. This was the ninth terror strike in the capital of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province since early October.
District Coordination Officer Sahibzada Anis said that a suicide bomber wanted to enter the complex of courts on the city's busy Khyber Road, but the police stopped him.
The bomber resisted and later detonated his bomb, he said.
The official said that three policemen and two lawyers were among those killed in the attack.
The huge explosion took place in an area which houses the offices of a spy agency, Governor House and chief minister's residence, Xinhua news agency said.
Saab Gul, medical superintendent at Lady Reading Hospital, told Geo News that 16 people had been killed and five among the injured were in a critical condition.
All schools in Peshawar were closed after the blast.
Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani strongly condemned the bomb blast in Peshawar. He deplored the loss of innocent lives.
Pakistan has been struck by a series of terror attacks since Oct 5, when the latest wave of violence was unleashed by the Taliban which is battling the army in the rugged terrain of South Waziristan.
This was the ninth terror attack in Peshawar since early October. Over 225 people have been killed and more than 400 injured in the eight earlier attacks.
The city witnessed this year's worst terror attack Oct 28 when a massive explosion in a crowded market killed 117 people and injured over 200.
On Oct 9, 50 people were killed in a bomb explosion. Less than a week later Oct 15, one person died in a blast while the very next day 15 people were killed in a major explosion. While the Oct 23 blast left 15 people injured, five days later saw the horrific bombing in bustling Meena Bazar where 117 people died.
This month Nov 8, the Taliban struck again with a bombing that left 18 people dead and 39 wounded. On Nov 14, 10 people were killed and 20 injured in a suicide car bombing. Two days later Nov 16, four people were killed and 30 injured when a suicide bomber detonated his car packed with explosives near a police station in the outskirts of this city.
Source: IANS
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K.Venugopal
#1
19 November 2009 03:45:28
These suicide bombers are motivated in the name of Islam and are fighting to set up an Islamic state. This means the Pakistan that Jinnah created has failed to function as an Islamic state. Which is not surprising because such a state would have been an anachronism in the modern world, as Taliban ruled Afghanistan proved itself to be. Saudi Arabia may seem to be a successful modern day Islamic state but in actuality it is an American client state, with its leaders pretending to be strict Muslims at home and living debauched lives when abroad. UAE may be another candidate as example of a modern and even futuristic Islamic state but its success is due to its being a commercial hub run by foreigners and foreign culture. Islam is ornamental in these oil rich states. Therefore it is plain that Islam is incapable of being a paradigm to create an ideal modern state. Islam needs to discover its Sufi connections and transform itself from being a state oriented religion to one which leads individual Muslims to discover divinity. Till then Muslims would be at war with the world at large and fellow Muslims in seeking operation of an outdated feudalistic socio-political order.

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Sena slams Sachin’s "Mumbai for all" comment

Updated on Monday, November 16, 2009, 16:01 IST

Zeecric Bureau

Mumbai: Legendary batsman Sachin Tendulkar, who on Sunday completed 20 glorious years in international cricket, has become the latest target of the pro-Marathi Manoos brigade.

Sachin, who had few days back stated that Mumbai was a part of India and that every Indian has an equal right on the city, has been criticised by none other than Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray.

In a letter addressed to the cricketing legend and published in Shiv Sena mouthpiece Saamna, Thackeray said that the Sachin comments have hurt the Marathi Manoos.


While appreciating Sachin’s remarks that he was equally a Marathi and an Indian, Thackeray made it clear in the published letter that he did not like Sachin calling Mumbai a city on which every Indian had an equal right.

Thackeray even advised Sachin to concentrate on his game and not get involved in politics.

Speaking at a media conference a few days ago, Sachin had said that his 20 successful years in the game of cricket have mainly been possible because of the love he has for his country.


The most famous Mumbaikar had also opined; though he was a proud Maharashtrian, it was important to acknowledge the fact that the state is a part of India, and more than anything else, he is an Indian first.

An irate Thackeray described Sachin’s remarks as absolutely unnecessary and asked him to instead focus on the pitch. He further advised Sachin not to treat the Marathi Manoos issue as a pitch and hit fours and sixes on it. Shiv Sena won’t tolerate this, Thackeray wrote, adding Sachin should not lose the respect that he has earned over the years, on the political pitch.

"There was no need for him to take a cheeky single by making such remarks," Thackeray said

"By making these remarks, you have got run-out on the pitch of Marathi psyche. You were not even born when the 'Marathi Manoos' got Mumbai and 105 Marathi people sacrificed their lives to get Mumbai," he added.

To this, BCCI Spokesperson Rajiv Shukla said in New Delhi, "This is the same language that Mohammed Ali Jinnah spoke. The whole of India and all Maharashtrians excluding a few Shiv Sena leaders and leaders of Raj Thackeray's party are with Tendulkar".

"These kind of comments are completely uncalled for. Shiv Sena people have no business to talk like this. Tendulkar is a nationalist. He is for Maharashtra, he is for India. If somebody calls himself an Indian, is it a crime?" he retorted.

"No Marathi will support Shiv Sena if they talk in these terms. Tendulkar has spoken like an Indian, like a nationalist. They don't understand this. In order to get some votes, they are trying to provoke feelings. These people should be brought to book," Shukla added.

"Maharashtrians don't like such utterances. Only a handful of people will support this. Majority of them won't like this. They want to be called Indians first.

"Whole of India and all Maharashtrians, excluding a few Shiv Sena leaders and leaders of Raj Thackeray's party, are with Tendulkar," he added.


It was widely insinuated in the press that Bal Thackeray had taken an anti-Indian stand in criticizing Sachin Tendulkar's position that he is an Indian first and a Maharashtrian later and that Mumbai belongs to all Indians. Fact is, upon reading Bal Thackeray's open letter which first appeared in Samna and which was translated and printed in the English media today, it becomes clear that nowhere has Bal Thackeray criticized Sachin's love for India. Bal Thackeray himself said in the letter that he is a proud Indian and signed off his letter with Jai Hind. So what Bal Thackeray had in mind was the unbridled influx of people into Mumbai. While this is a problem affecting all metros not only in India but all over the word and a national development policy has to be initiated to prevent urban centers from turning into ghettos, what, obviously, Bal Thackeray saw was the political fall-out of Sachin’s declaration. He wanted to forestall Sachin from being exploited by Congress in its anti-Sena campaign. While the secular press may not have seen it, Sachin has great respect for Bal Thackeray and now that Thackeray has forewarned him (not a warning of threat, but a warning to take precaution lest he falls into any political trap in the name of patriotism) he would definately be cautious.

http://www.zeenews.com/news579335.html

Bhagwat now calls BJP ‘a divided house’

Submitted by Sarthak Gupta on Sat, 11/14/2009 - 11:54.
Pune, Nov. 14 : Continuing his sharp critique of the current stasis in the BJP, RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat has described the party “as a divided house.”
“BJP is a divided house and a divided house can''t function properly. The party should not forget its roots,” Bhagwat told reporters in Pune.
He added that he had told the BJP leadership to look for a "young" candidate who can "restore its organisational set-up".
"We have told them (BJP) to restore and tighten the party''s organisational system and structure and choose a young president having leadership mindset,” he said.
Answering whether the RSS favoured Nitin Gadkari from Maharashtra as the new BJP President, Bhagwat only revealed that there were three to four names that were being discussed.
"We have conveyed our expectations of the new leader and if they (BJP leaders) approach us after taking a decision we will okay it," he added.
Answering a question, Bhagwat said RSS had never set a deadline for leader of the opposition L K Advani to step down by February. (ANI)

The roots of the entire Sangh Parivar lie in the daily shakha of the RSS. "Attend shakha" should be the one and only clarion call to all Sangh Parivar members and Sangha itself should attend to the art of putting in place model shakhas all over the nation, in every single ward. This will ensure the supreme integrity of Sangh parivar. There is no other short-cut.

http://connect.in.com/nitin-gadkari/article-bhagwat-now-calls-bjp-a-divided-house-209557-3df12c8e6abbd4cd70e78fea74a0c678484c244c.html

A song for all communities

Who is forcing the Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Hind to sing Vande Mataram? They don’t want to sing it but want to make an issue of it! I don’t understand the business of passing a resolution against singing the national song.

Not that I agree with these people for a moment, but I must accept that I am aware of the historical background of this controversy. This song was a part of the novel written by Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay called Anand Math, published in 1882. In that novel, all villains were Muslims and in the end the writer thanks God that Britishers have come to save them from malech Muslims.
This song had four stanzas; the first two glorifying the motherland and the third and fourth were in praise of a religious deity. Obviously this was not acceptable to the conservative Muslim groups. While the song was zestfully taken up by the Hindu Mahasabha and then by RSS etc.; to sort out the issue, the religious stanzas were dropped by the Congress much before independence. That should have been the logical end to the controversy whatsoever.

Today the opposition to Vande Mataram, because singing praises to a deity is against the monotheistic concept of Islam, is thus redundant and irrelevant, and that is why I fail to understand why these objections were raised in the first instance. Is the Jamiat short on issues?

In any case, I honestly believe that with time, this song has outgrown Anand Math, Mahasabha and RSS. Today this song has its own identity. It has come far ahead and has become a national song in the real sense.

National symbols and songs like Vande Mataram unite a country like nothing else does. It evokes strong emotions in me. I myself have used Vande Mataram in three of my songs- in Priyadarshan's Saza-e-Kala Pani, in Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani and for an anthem that's taken up by the military academy at Dehradun.

I think this issue is being raised by those who want to get noticed. These people seem to feel marginalized and want to tell the society that they also exist. I wish they would indulge in something positive to get noticed.

At the same time, there is no doubt that there can’t be any one decided way of expressing love for the motherland. While no one should have any problem in singing Vande Mataram, those who want to enforce it are not being fair either. In the US, there is a sect called Jehovah's Witnesses and they believe that singing the national song is against their faith. The American society lets them be.

I really feel surprised that in a society where there are huge problems like poverty, education, health, infrastructure, whether a song should be sung or not becomes a matter of national debate!

I am happy to note that the common man is getting tired of fundamentalists, political leaders as well as the media who rake up such non-issues all the time. We need fresh blood and a rational approach to make India a superpower.

To that I would say- Vande Mataram!

When we should be attempting to enhance patriotic frevour any which way when the nation is faced which challenges to its nationhood from Islamic terrorists, Naxalites and crass politicians like Raj Thackeray, Vande Mataram is sought to be reduced to just a communal song by the Mullahs of Deoband. Call to see reason will not work upon those who are unable to see sanctity in the idea of our nationhood. The only solution is for the nationalists to go ahead and build up patriotism by popularising Vande Mataram regardless of opposition to it. Otherwise the coming generation will not be left with even the first 4 lines which Congress reduced it for the sake of Mullah appeasement.

http://www.zeenews.com/blog/43/blog245.html

When BJP's Things Fall Apart

Monday , November 09, 2009 at 14 : 09

TURNING and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS, THE SECOND COMING

The BJP's 'former future prime minister of India' L K Advani is not a poet like that party's only real prime minister A B Vajpayee.
Advani's 'weighty' biography My Country, My Life doesn't talk about poetry or literature. If he had studied poetry, Advani might have recited the above lines after watching the Reddy brothers of Bellary holding his 'national' party to ransom.
Soon after B S Yeddyurappa led the BJP to victory in the Karnataka Assembly polls in May 2008, Advani had boasted that the party of the Hindi belt had finally conquered the Deccan. Advani believed that the party's southern conquest would make him the Prime Minister a year on. His plans went horribly wrong, as we all know.
Ironically, the BJP, which always lives in the past, doesn't seem to have learnt any lessons from history. Some hours before a broken and bitter Yeddyurappa wept in front of a TV camera in Delhi, I was sitting across the table having breakfast with him. I was shocked by his sudden emotional outbursts and felt bad for him.
I told Yeddyurappa that his party was looking like the Mughal Empire on its last legs. No offence intended, Advaniji. Nobody is calling you Bahadur Shah Zafar... The once mighty Mughal empire's reach was restricted to Hindustan (today's Hindi-speaking areas) till the time of Aurangazeb. The decline of the empire began with its southern conquests. The Mughals were steadily losing ground in the North when their army was marching southwards. The BJP's plight is no different.
Like the Mughals, a desperate BJP started its southern foray in the company of treacherous people. It is paying a heavy price. I was covering the Karnataka elections and had sensed the danger from the Reddy brothers. My worst fears came true as I watched the Reddys storming to the Vidhana Soudha on a scorching May afternoon.
Three weeks later (14 June 2008) I posted on my blog a post titled ' BJP, Bellary and Reddyurappa's Story'
I wrote:
Sushma Swaraj campaigned for the party in TV spots in what can only be called Marwadi-style Kannada. She believes she brought the BJP to power. For those who didn't know, she has also become the Reddys' godmother.
In fact, the brothers publicly call her their mother, and she acknowledges the honour with an expansive grin. She posed for pictures hugging these much-despised moneybags of Karnataka politics. What explains this strange bonding? God knows, but this much I can say: it has the power to break the party one day. Beware Advaniji and Yeddyurappaji!
Arun Jaitleyji, do you see what's happening? Please take a close look. The BJP is already being called Bellary Janardhana Reddy Party in Karnataka!
In fact, many in Karnataka believe that the state is being governed not by the rule of law, but on the whims and conveniences of the Bellary brothers.
I can claim credit for predicting the future of the BJP's first-ever government in the South! But I was not the only one who saw it coming. Many other journalists and millions of ordinary voters had guessed as much.
Only the BJP was not ready to heed their words. Power was everything. For Yeddyurappa, only the end mattered, not the means. The Reddy tiger he rode to power is now thirsty for his blood.
Whenever I ask him to give a sound bite in English to our English TV news channel, he tells me I always want him to speak in a language he doesn't know! Not knowing English is perfectly all right. But not knowing the language of politics could lead to disasters. Yeddyurappa is now learning it the hard way.
The peace deal brokered by the BJP ' high command ' (they may be high, but do they really command?) may not last long. It is also the most dishonourable peace deal. The BJP's so-called stalwarts in New Delhi crawled before the BJP's orehouse kings of Bellary!
When Yeddyurappa came to power, the Reddys believed he would reign and they would rule. But the temperamental and insecure Chief Minister proved them wrong. If the Reddy brothers don't get what they want, it won't be long before a bigger, bloodier battle breaks out.
As one of my favourite journalists from Mysore says, "Those who live by the Reddys die by them!"


These are the last days of a BJP that chose to covertly loosen themselves from RSS discipline. The RSS shall soon re-take the BJP and mould it once more into a cadre-based formidable political machine rooted in ideology and discipline.

http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/dpsatish/237/53942/when-bjps-things-fall-apart.html

HIndi and Hate politics

Submitted by kumarkaushal on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 20:04.
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During the oath-taking ceremony today on the first day of the state Assembly’s inaugural session post the election of the new government, MNS MLA Ramesh Banjle snatched the mike as SP legislator Abu Azmi began reading the oath in Hindi. The tussle did not end there with other MNS legislators joining in and shouting slogans against Azmi. Ram Kadam and Shishir Kunde even exchanged blows with Azmi, with Kadam seen live on television slapping and hitting him on the chest and shoulders. Was he doing any crime against India? Yes definitely - he was favouring the most common language of India "Hindi", irrespective of the threat given by the MNS chief Raj Thakrey to take the oath in Marathi. Are we living in a banana republic? Who is he to give the instruction to the people to choose their language? Hindi is the Universal language of India which connects its citizen. Doesn't they (MNS hooligans ) listen the Hindi music, don't they like Hindi actors? As per the constitutional right provided to us, we can live any where for our livelihood and we can speak any language as per the choice and if any body is restricting anyone from their fundamental right, he should be punished as per the law of the land. Raj Thakrey is not above the law, as whole nation knows Thakrey family has done enormous damage to the national integrity by the name of south-north,Hindi- Marathi, Hindu-Muslim etc. Now, Raj Thakrey is spitting venom against North Indians and Hindi language.
Native speakers of Hindi dialects between them account for 41% of the Indian population (2001 Indian census). As defined in theConstitution of India, Hindi is one of the two official languages of communication (English being the other) for India's federal government and is one of the 22 scheduled languages specified in the Eighth Schedule to the Constitution.Hindi is the most widely spoken of India's official languages. It is spoken mainly in northern states of Rajasthan, Delhi, Haryana, Uttarakhand, Uttar-Pradesh
, Madhya Pradesh , Chhattisgarh, Himachal Pradesh, Jharkhand and Bihar. It is second major language in Andaman and Nicobar Islands and it is also spoken alongside with regional languages like Punjabi, Gujarati, Marathi or Bengali throughout north and central India. Hindi is also understood in other parts of India as well as in the neighbouring countries of Nepal, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Native speakers of Hindi dialects account for 48% of the Fiji population. This includes all people of Indian ancestry including those whose forefathers emigrated from regions in India where Hindi was not generally spoken. As defined in the Constitution of Fiji (Constitution Amendment Act 1997 (Act No. 13 of 1997), Section 4(1), Hindi is one of the three official languages of communication (English and Fijian being the others). Section 4(4)(a)(b)(c)(d) also states that 4) Every person who transacts business with: (a) a department; (b) an office in a state service; or (c) a local authority; has the right to do so in English, Fijian, or Hindustani, either directly or through a competent interpreter.

We respect the other languages of India either they are Marathi or Malyalam. We live in a diversified country so we should respect each others language,religion, costume and festivals irrespective of caste, gender and state. Whatever is happening in the name of Marathi Manoos is not good for the nation as this will weaken the pillar of India. Although language is means of communication so don't play with the language just think about the well being of people, so that nation get developed. MNS is an untouchable community of India.



http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/kumarkaushal/hindi-and-hate-politics#comment-7082

CHAOS IN MAHARASHTRA ASSEMBLY

MNS attacks Abu Azmi over oath-taking in Hindi
IANS
Published on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 13:42, Updated on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 15:54 in Politics section
New Delhi: Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) members on Monday attacked state Samajwadi Party chief Abu Azmi inside the legislature after he insisted on taking his oath as a legislator in Hindi.
The day's proceedings started smoothly with several members taking oath, wary of a so-called 'open letter' by MNS chief Raj Thackeray this morning urging all 288 legislators to take their oath in Marathi.
However, Azmi had declared that he would not be intimidated by such threats by "extra-constitutional authorities" and announced that he would take the oath in the national language Hindi.
"If they try to stop me, they could attract privilege proceedings," he declared, minutes before stepping inside the high-security Maharashtra legislature at Nariman Point.
When his turn came, Azmi got up to take the oath in Hindi. Even as he uttered the first few words, MNS members, all of them first-timers in the House, sprang up from their seats, shouted slogans and rushed towards Azmi.
As Azmi continued to take the the oath in Hindi, MNS's Ramesh Banjle uprooted the microphone and threw it away.
Other MNS members came and surrounded Azmi, pushed and punched him and an MNS member, Ram Kadam, was seen on live television slapping and hitting him on the chest and shoulders.
Stunned by the goings-on, several members, including newly-appointed ministers like Congress' Rajendra Darda, Nationalist Congress Party's Ajit Pawar, Peasants and Workers Party leader Meenakshi Patil, and several others, rushed to shield Azmi from the MNS members' wrath, but even they were pushed around.
The Protem Speaker Ganpatrao Deshmukh immediately adjourned the House for over half an hour.
However, the MNS members continued their aggressive stance, indulging in sloganeering, displaying banners and damaging the fittings inside the assembly.
Chief Minister Ashok Chavan, who was present when the MNS members created the ruckus, termed the incident as "regretful" and urged that the legislators should be dealt with very strictly.
Defending the actions of the party legislators, MNS spokesperson Shirish Parker even argued that Hindi was not the national language of the country.
"One has to have respect for the Marathi language if he is living in the state. We have not come to the house to see our culture being insulted. Why couldn't Azmi learn a line in Marathi in so many days?" asked Ram Kadam.

"I respect the Marathi language, but you saw that some MLAs were allowed to take their oath in English. If that is ok then why not Hindi? I will never accept the insult of my mother tongue. I don't disrespect Marathi so why do these people disrespect my language? I will die for its honour. It doesn't matter even if I'm alone in the Assembly on this"
— Samajwadi Party leader, Abu Azmi to CNN-IBN

MNS attack on an MLA taking oath in Hindi, the national language of India, is an attack on Indian nationhood. Raj Thackeray has become the Marathi Jinnah. He must be challenged. Those MLAs who have not taken their oath, should take it in Hindi, particularly those of the BJP who swear most by nationalism. Failure to do so would hypothecate the nationalistic space in Maharashtra to Abu Azmi, a pro-Pakistani.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/mns-attacks-abu-azmi-over-oathtaking-in-hindi/104847-37.html?from=tn

MNS legislators attack Abu Azmi for taking oath in Hindi

Updated on Monday, November 09, 2009, 16:07 IST Tags:Abu Azmi, Raj Thackeray, Maharashtra assembly

Zeenews Bureau

Mumbai: The Maharashtra Assembly witnessed ugly scenes on Monday when newly-elected MLAs of the Raj Thackeray-led Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) attacked Samajwadi Party’s Abu Azmi for taking the oath of office and secrecy in Hindi.

MNS chief Raj Thackeray had warned all 288 newly elected legislators, asking them to take oath only in Marathi. Azmi had refused to bow to Raj’s demand, categorically stating that it was a privilege to take oath in the national language.

"If they try to stop me, they could attract privilege proceedings," he declared today.


However, during the oath-taking ceremony today on the first day of the state Assembly’s inaugural session post the election of the new government, MNS MLA Ramesh Banjle snatched the mike as SP legislator Azmi began reading the oath in Hindi.

The tussle did not end there with other MNS legislators joining in and shouting slogans against Azmi. Ram Kadam and Shishir Kunde even exchanged blows with Azmi, with Kadam seen live on television slapping and hitting him on the chest and shoulders.

Marshalls had to be called in to control the situation as Protem Speaker Ganpatrao Deshmukh and legislators of other parties failed to defuse the situation.

The Assembly was adjourned for half an hour following the chaos.

Speaking to reporters later outside the Assembly, Azmi said those opposing him for taking the oath in Hindi were insulting the Constitution of India.


“I am well within my rights to take oath in Hindi and Raj Thackeray is no one to tell me to take oath in Marathi,” he said.

Azmi called on the state police to arrest MNS legislators, saying he cannot tolerate the insult of the nation, its Constitution and language.

Chief Minister Ashok Chavan, who was present when the MNS members created the ruckus, termed the incident as "regretful" and urged that the legislators should be dealt with very strictly.

Defending the actions of the party legislators, MNS spokesperson Shirish Parker even argued that Hindi was not the national language of the country.


Those MLAs who have not taken their oath should forthwith do so in Hindi to challenge Raj Thackeray, the Marathi Jinnah. It is expected the BJP MLAs, especially those whose mother tongue is Marathi, would take their oath in Hindi to show that they stand first and foremost for the nation. Otherwise Abu Azmi, a pro-Pakistani, would seek to take over the nationalistic space in Maharashtra.

http://www.zeenews.com/news577371.html

MNS legislators attack Abu Azmi over taking oath in Hindi

HT Correspondent,
Mumbai, November 09, 2009
First Published: 13:44 IST(9/11/2009)
Last Updated: 14:59 IST(9/11/2009) #yaplink_href_id { color: brown; } It was pandemonium on the opening day of the Maharashtra Assembly session in Mumbai. Raj Thackeray’s Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) demanded that all MLAs take the oath in Marathi.
As Samajwadi Party MLA Abu Asim Azmi, who had earlier raised the MNS’ hackles by demanding Assembly documents in Hindi, took the oath in Hindi, MNS MLAs stormed the well of the House.
They pulled away the podium and flung it aside, raising slogans and flashing placards.
Ruling alliance MLAs, including Meenakshi Patil of the Peasants and Workers Party, then helped Azmi take the oath.
Throughout, banners were flung at them and Azmi was abused.
As he made his way back to his seat, MNS MLA Ram Kadam assaulted him, forcing an adjournment of the House.
Later, Chief Minister Ashok Chavan tabled a resolution asking the Speaker to take action against the MNS MLAs. The Bharatiya Janata Party supported this while the Shiv Sena condemned the MNS MLAs’ behaviour.
Disciplinary action against the MNS MLAs is expected late in the evening — they might be suspended indefinitely.


Raj Thackeray's anti-national position must be challenged. I call upon all the MLAs who have not yet taken oath to do so in Hindi, particularly those of the BJP who swear most by nationalism. Otherwise they would be giving in to the Marathi Jinnah.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/maharashtra/MNS-MLAs-attack-Abu-Azmi-over-taking-oath-in-Hindi/Article1-474405.aspx#hide

Anti-Vande Mataram? Leave, says Uddhav

Press Trust of India, Wednesday November 4, 2009, Mumbai

A day after Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind adopted a resolution asking Muslims not to recite Vande Mataram, Shiv Sena Executive President Uddhav Thackeray on Wednesday slammed it, saying those opposed to the national song should go to Pakistan.

"If you don't want to salute your motherland, then who do you salute? What is the shame in saluting Bharatmata? Those who do not want to salute Bharatmata should go to Pakistan or Bangladesh. There is no place for such traitors in India," Thackeray said.

Thackeray said the fact that the decree was adopted in the presence of Union Home Minister P Chidambaram showed that the Centre was engaging in appeasement of the minorities. "If anti-national fatwas are issued in the presence of the Union home minister then there is no future for this country. It looks like the Centre has a policy of appeasement of Muslims for votes," he said in a statement.

Stating that such decrees created tensions between Hindus and Muslims, he asked Shiv Sainiks to put up "Vande Mataram" boards all over Maharashtra. The Jamiat, one of the largest groups of Muslim clerics in the country, had yesterday endorsed the decree of Darul Uloom seminary at Deoband asking the Muslims not to recite Vande Mataram as it went against the tenets of their faith in monotheism.




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Posted by rameshnaivaruni on Nov 05, 2009


The decision of the Clerics are deplorable and Home Minister being there bring in more credence to their declaration and these are the people we are wanting to come to mainstream---Vande Mataram is a heritage that we have of the by-gone era and this still indicates and brings in a sense of Patriotism in the younger generation and Indian Government should not allow fatwas on this sacred testamant by Islam fundamentalist and it is high time the Government declars Vande Mataram /Jana gana Mana and other verses and songs of pre-Indpendence days as Sacrosant and a constitutional amendments should clearly specify any disrespects shown to them should be treated as an offence and punishable under Non-bailable offence. Ramesh.V.Naivaruni rameshnaivaruni@yahoo.com


Posted by Apurva on Nov 05, 2009


I cannot understand that in this modern era what kind of controversies are these people creating. Our country needs hard work,focus and dedication. Singing or not singing the national song will not solve our problems , will not uplift our masses. This is the biggest non issue for India.








Posted by Deepa Johnson on Nov 05, 2009


Iam sure Mr.Bankim must be wondering on all the fuss his song has generated years later!!! We Indians have mastered the art of complicating simple issues!! If this 1 billion plus country's patriotism depends on ONE SONG, then god save the country!!


Posted by Ved Nandyal on Nov 05, 2009


How many of the educated middle-class know vande mataram, I am sure less than 50%. Are they not Indians!whether vande mataram is Islamic or unIslamic, it is definitely not the certificate to prove your patriotism


Posted by Vishwas Shrungarpure on Nov 05, 2009


The Fatwa is a gross mis-representation of Quran Values. Every religion teaches that God is omnipresent and boundaryless. Mother who has given birth and Motherland where we have taken birth and live our life are nothing but forms of God and there is no harm to Worship them. In a country which doesnt has a Uniform Civil Code and doesnt honors Right to Equality on religious and caste grounds, these things are bound to happen. I feel more than the Elements who carry out such Fatwa's, our Politicians are the real Traitors of this country. They have stooped to such low levels that are unimaginable and unthought of when compared with other developed countries.


Posted by Bharat Bhushan on Nov 05, 2009


I think a lot of people who criticize muslims to oppose vandematram had never read ANANDMATH the novel (origin of national song) written by Mr. Bankimchandra Chatterji. If they read this novel they understand why a common muslim do not like to sing vandematram. it should depend on the peoples that which song they like or not


Posted by kuthubdeen.shaik on Nov 05, 2009


I'm Muslim but first of all i'm indian muslim,my father recite vandemataram,my forefather recite vandemataram i too recite vandemataram no ulama no moulana can stop me. i love my mother country i love to sacrifice my life to my mother india, few muslims said that vandemtaram unislamic? how come they wont bow to mother india! whenever they prefer namaz they bow and do sajda (mata teak) to the soil of mother india!i'm i right ma!


Posted by Jamil on Nov 05, 2009


Who is this person to dictate who's should go where. The stand by Jamiat about Vande Mataram is very clear. That does not say or mean muslims should not or do not respect their mother land. In fact in Islam MOTHER has been goven the most important position amoung everyone on earth but still Islam does not allow muslims to worship her. Raj should understand there's a diff between respect and worship. If you turn the pages of any history book you can see so many muslims who sacrificed their lives of the country both for independence and post independence. If he's so hurt by the fatwa then how would he justify his stand against his brothers (north Indians). Aren'th they sons of the same motherland. Where will he and MNS go for hurting his brothers. This guys is just another double faced politician. He says this move by Jamiat is anti-national then why oppose HINDI. just couple of days back he demanded all Maha MLAs to take oth in Marathi... why not Hindi... that would be real deshbakhti.


Posted by Munna on Nov 04, 2009


No religion, no personal identity can be above Country.Those saying "saluting National Song, hurts their religious sentiment" are no less than traitor.They should be kicked out of country.The convocation where Fatwa against National Song was issued was basically organised to show the strength of community. This is mainly due to our political leaders like Amar Singh, Mulayam Singh,Laloo Yadav and other Political leaders, who are licking at the back of Muslims Leaders to fulfill their political dream.These leaders are shame for country.These leaders as well as religious guru should learn from laws of US,UK,France,China and even Pakistan where insulting the sentiment of country might ruin your life.These things can only be possible in India where traitors politician and religious guru have free access


Posted by Ram prasad Sharma on Nov 04, 2009


It seems very funny that this comment is coming from a Alike him, we all know how the sena has been so deeply engulfed in regional politics and in essence they are the ones who are truly "ANTI" Vande mataram.Maybe for him India only means Maharashtra...or maybe not..But giving these type of comments is like " People living in a glass house pelting stones at others" .Its more mocking than that.


Posted by antigovt on Nov 04, 2009


Mr. Uddhav should use his position and stature what business did central ministers and top congress leaders had in that conference. Traitors are not only denigrate Bharat Mata but also who are on the side side of fence with them. Mr. Thakray should forget his electoral battle and campaign for apublc opinion on this issue


Posted by Sachcha Hindustani on Nov 04, 2009


I would like to tell this uddhav that his so call shiv sainik who are behind north indian are also son of bharatmata. If he thinks that any one who do not respect the vande mataram should leave the india and go to some other country then he also should go the briton becaue he is using the devide and rule policy to get power in maharastra by doing marathis and non marathis. I also believe that every one should respect the vande mataram. This fatwa people are all uneducated poeple and misguiding the youth. I think the meaning of vande matarm is " to do naman(respect) to mother(bharatmata) and even islam says that there is jannat in mother feet so if you want jannat that do naman to your mother. i think , all clear to every one and please dont listen to the politicians. Vande mataram and jai hind.


Posted by Vai Pinglay on Nov 04, 2009


If anti-Vande Mataram should leave India then so should REGIONAL parties who divide Indians on parochial or petty small frog mentality!


Posted by Balu Canada on Nov 04, 2009


P.C has joined the band of opportunistic congress Babus. UPA will regret for this and if we people eat salt we should kick PC and his party for ever.


Posted by Justistox on Nov 04, 2009


It is regrettable that Udhav Thackeray of Shiv Sena has rushed to the press to pronounce those who oppose singing Vande Matram as "traitors!" and has given his "verdict "that "they should go to Pakistan or Bangladesh!" This has entitled the aam admi in India to ask: 1.Does Udhav know that as far back as in1937, when Congress discussed the status of the song,"Vande Mataram" It was pointed out that in the other stanzas except the first TWO ,there are references where the motherland is likened to the Hindu goddess:"Durga". Therefore, it adopted the first two stanzas only as the "national Song". 2.The Constituent Assembly(1947-1950)adopted Tagore's "Jana gana mana" as the "national anthem" rejecting Bankim's "Vande Mataram", on the groundsthat Muslims, Christians, Parsees, Sikhs, Arya Samajees and others opposed to idol worship,felt offended by the depiction of the nation as "Mother Durga", a Hindu goddess! 3.In 2006,during a discussion in the Parliament whether the singing of Vande Matram by school children on September 7th, 2006 (the 'centennial' of the song) should be made mandatory or not, a reference was made to UP Govt.'s order making it mandatory. At that time Vajpayji clarified that it should be "voluntary" only! 4. Darul Uloom, Deoband issued the fatwa that Muslim students should not sing the song in 2006 and the recent Convention has only endorsed it. So where is the "Immediate provocation"? 5.Arabindo Ghosh has translated "Bonde Mataram"(original Bengal word) as "Mother! I bow to thee!"That is the most apt translation.On the other hand, "Hail" is a used as an expression of salutation to the Chief as "Hail Hitler!" 6 Assuming that Udhav could push Parsees to Iran and Christians to England , "where to he would push Sikhs and Arya Samajees"? 7.Udhav Thackeray and people of his ilk should realize that they are all citizens of this country only and have no "right" or "authority" to ask Muslims to "leave for Pakistan or Bangla desh" and others to other places! Such hatemongers should be properly dealt with by the state to uphold the Constitution.


Posted by ram on Nov 04, 2009


i for one completely agree with the above statement. if you can't comply with the rules of the land, you better don't belong here. these things should be above religion and faith. can these ppl dare such things in another European/Western countries like UK/US? our politicians do show undue succour for these kind of sentiments.


Posted by Mayur on Nov 04, 2009


Hindu also have some religious border but they are always believe to have freedom for everyone, when you take chance of such freedom and try to push your think or your idea like, we will do only that and this way, we can't sing a national song because it against our religious. What you are try to prove in world's largest egalitarianism country. If Muslim desire to get respect from Indian society then they will have to learn, how to give respect others (National culture). They must have to follow national ritual and culture. Muslims are always happy to do that others never likes. India is not for Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Sikh this country is for Indian. We must have to have some common rule that any citizen can't oppose some important things like vandematrum. BJP try to keep focus on Hindu value in their core agenda which is really good after listing Muslim fatwa on Vandematrum and congress try to allure Muslim. BJP=Congress. Every Indian should oppose this fatwa and I would say, Muslim should not accept this fatwa, by having support from Muslim people, this issue can easily solve.





The Mullahs are taking the Muslims for a ride. If "Vande" for them means "worship", then very soon they are going to "ban" the saying of "namaste" or "namaskar" because these two words mean exactly the same as "vande".

http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/anti-vande_mataram_leave_says_uddhav.php?page=1#postcommentarea

Regressive stance

DNA

Wednesday, November 4, 2009 21:22 IST
The Muslim community is ill-served by its leaders, whether they be conservative clerics, politicians in various parties or by stereotypical civil society representatives. None of them has adequately been able to articulate the problems and challenges facing the community, voicing forever a litany of woes or reinforcing the ghetto mentality that more enlightened souls say the community suffers from.
It is true that the majority of Muslims are economically and socially backward because of low educational levels, and much of the discrimination and disadvantage they are subjected to is greatly due to this. It follows therefore that community leaders should be working to change this state of affairs.
Instead, much of the deliberations head off in other directions. The 30th general session of Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind -- a moderate conservative association of clerics -- held at Deoband, home to a large conservative seminary, reflected this confusion and weakness of the community. The association and the seminary are independent of each other, but each reinforces the generally confused stand of the other.
The most "newsy" part of the meet was the resolution against singing Vande Mataram because of its alleged references to idolatry. This is a non-issue for many reasons, not the least because it is hardly a subject at centre-stage at the current moment. More moderate voices have pointed out that those verses are not even sung in the national song.
But the other discussions also raise concerns. A resolution reiterates the need to forge unity "among Muslims and Dalits and for ending social differences" and it goes on to say,
"Being Muslims, we should come out of the false notions of social superiority."
On the other hand, some of the resolutions passed at the session are not just retrogressive, but mindless too. Referring to the women's reservation bill, there is the curious formulation that "Such a desperate measure to bring women into the mainstream will create various other social problems issues (sic) including their security."
Though the Jamiat has a large membership, it would be a mistake to deem it as the voice of Muslims. Nor are its resolutions binding in any way on the millions of Muslims around the country.
Most Muslims would differ with some of its whimsical views and agree with the sensible ones. But if such meetings were to take robust stands on matters of grave concern to the community, they could provide some direction. That regrettably has not happened and a good opportunity has been lost.


In Vande Mataram, India is called as Mother. No where in the song is India called God or Goddess. Therefore why would Muslims have a problem because the bowing is to Mother India and not to a God or Goddess.

http://www.dnaindia.com/opinion/editorial_regressive-stance_1307297

'No controversy should be raised over Vande Mataram'

STAFF WRITER 19:44 HRS IST
New Delhi, Nov 4 (PTI) Hours after BJP sought an apology from Home Minister P Chidambaram over the Vande Mataram issue, Congress today said the matter is a sensitive one involving religious sentiments and no controversy should be raked up over it.

"This is a very sensitive issue. It is our national song.

And there are also religious sentiments attached. Keeping in mind all these facts, the issue should not be made controversial," party spokesperson Shakeel Ahmad told reporters here.

He was responding to queries regarding Jamiat-Ulema-e-Hind's resolution at Deoband yesterday asking members of the Muslim community not to recite 'Vande Mataram' on the grounds that some verses of the national song are against the tenets of Islam.

This was one of the 25 resolutions passed at its 30th general session in Deoband which was addressed by Union Home Minister P Chidambaram yesterday.


The word "namaste" is a synonym of "vande". The meaning of "namaste" is, I bow to you (which is to say, I bow to the divine in you). Is the act of saying "namaste" therefore an act of worship? May Deoband pass a Fatwa on this question.

http://www.ptinews.com/news/362163_-No-controversy-should-be-raised-over-Vande-Mataram-#2

Vande Matram un-Islamic, says Deoband seminary

Published on Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 11:54 in India section
New Delhi/ Deoband (Uttar Pradesh): Scholars of an Islamic group in Uttar Pradesh on Tuesday passed an edict banning Vande Matram, India’s national song, saying it is against their religious belief.
The Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind (JEU) passed a resolution at its national convention in Deoband, saying Muslims should not sing the national song as some verses of it are against the tenets of Islam.
Kamal Farooqi, a member of the Mulsim Personal Law Board, told CNN-IBN from Deoband that the fatwa (edict) was consistent with their view that the national song has religious connotations.
Union Home Minister P Chidambaram is to address the convention at Deoband on Tuesday.

Muslims might have the right not to sing Vande Mataram if they consider it against their religious tenets, but by the same token nationalists must have the right to call them anti-nationals for not singing Vande Mataram - because patriotism does not restrict a patriot from worshipping his motherland.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/vande-matram-unislamic-says-deoband-seminary/104476-3.html?from=tn

Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind calls 'Vande Matram' un-Islamic

Updated on Tuesday, November 03, 2009, 10:40 IST Tags:Vande Matram, Deoband, Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind, Conference

Zeenews Bureau

Deoband (UP): Terming the recitation of ‘Vande Mataram’ as against Islam, the Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind (JEU) has passed a resolution against the national song.

According to a resolution passed at the Deoband national convention meet on Tuesday, Muslims should not sing 'Vande Matram' as some verses of the patriotic song are against the tenets of Islam.


Incidentally, the controversy comes on a day when Home Minister P Chidambaram is to address the convention at the Deoband seminary, today.

Many leaders of the Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind, the organiser of the event, are said to be against ‘Vande Matram’.

Another prominent Islamic leader and Rajya Sabha MP Mehmood Madani has also objected to some lines in the national song.

The Muslim Law Board has justified the decision saying that (Muslims) can’t offer prayers to anyone but Allah. Kamal Farooqui, a prominent leader of the Board said, “We love the nation but can’t worship it."

According to sources, there was a clamour among a section of the scholars attending the conference, which opened yesterday, that a formal religious decree or a ‘fatwa’ should be issued against ‘Vande Matram’.

In an apparent attempt to pacify this section, the conference passed a resolution to this effect. Apart from it, 25 other resolutions were also passed which included a resolution denouncing terrorism.

The conference, which opened yesterday at the Islamic institute in Deoband, was to be attended by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi also but sources yesterday confirmed that two will not travel to the western UP city.

The gathering, organised by Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind, is the first annual meeting of the organisation being held at Deoband. Nearly 10,000 clerics and Islamic scholars are expected to attend the event while the turnout of Muslims likely to cross the five-lakh marks.

The Jamiat meet is taking place in the backdrop of a series of conferences of Islamic scholars of different schools and activists explaining why Islam and terror of the jihadi brand were mutually exclusive.
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Oh !!! What a news , now they are saying Vande Matram is against their Religious Faiths. This shows how patriotic they are ?Taliblisation in a way to capture India. Wakep India... This government is giving them courage by accepting their demands now and then. -commentator - Pune
This is how the secular forces have pampered the minorities in the name of secularism. What is the harm in worshipping your own matrubhumi. If you cannot respect your own mother (who we consider supreme) than even Allah will not forgive us. These clerics of today are fake clerics, misguiding the youths, brainwashing them & creating a talibani in them. Today they have gone to an extent of denouncing Vaande Mataram. Tommorow they will say that they dont beleive in indian constitution & laws, & that they beleive only in Shariat. Shame on our so called secular leader who are planning to be a part of such conventions. Educated Muslims Please wake up, speak against the so called clerics who plans to divide India by igniting the reiligious feelings. Even during indian freedom struggle ``vande mataram` was the chief slogan for motivating people to fight against the britisher. This calls were not only made by Hindus, but by other religion leaders also. So wake up Indians give a kick on the butts of such scholars, Bcos they are good for nothing. -bhartiya - goa
Why is Jamaat opposing, they just pointing some absurd reasons to not sing Vande Maatram, which is used by even Muslin nationalist freedom fighters. VANDE MAATARAM!!! -Umesh - gurgaon
Is this a sign of creeping islamisation??? If they find it hard to digest the national song on some flimsy religious grounds, 62 odd years after independence. -aarvey - bangalore
Dont they salute their mother? Dont they respect her? Isnt mother land saluatable? -Rajesh - Mumbai
Saying Vande Mataram is Un-Islamic Living in Un-Islamic country in is Islamic. is this the islam teaches of intolerant of other community sentiments. -Pramesh - UAE
excellent! what a secular proclamation! this is atribute to all those who kissed theo gallows in brish period singing that song -antigovt - bihar

Praying to mother/motherland is not allowed in Islam, but paradise beneath of mother’s feet you have respect and obey her. Also a similar Vedic verse says the same pray to one God only who created universe not to bow your mother land it does not mean that Hindu Muslim and other faiths do not love their country. If require or time comes we all die for our country. Leaders only create hate rate among us for vote bank please understand this. And my humble request to all please go back and read our scriptures. -Faheem - Jeddah
throw these people into pakistan, and tell them to practice islam over there . the song was being sung around 70years back. that means the are into unislamic practice since last so many years . now tell them to go to pakistan and repent there mistake -sameer - surat
It is up to the practitioners of Islam to say if a certain thing is against Islamic tenets or not. So it is well within their right to say that Vande Matram is against Islamic tenets. And no one can force anyone to go against their religious believes. Thus, Muslims should not be forced to sing Vande Mataram. But this position of Muslims can hardly dilute the fact that Vande Mataram is a patriotic song and all nationalists should popularize this song even more to ensure that the patriotic frevour resonates in India regardless of Muslim contribution towards it. Also, it must be noted that those who consider their religion greater than loyalty to the country would have no hesitation in destroying the country for religious purposes, particularly if the country happens to be a non-Islamic one like India. This happened when Pakistan was created and this is being attempted for the creation of Kashmir. Therefore the Muslim position on Vande Mataram can be considered anti-national. The truth is, it is not a question of Islam vs. India but a question of the Islamic nation (Qom) vs. India. -K.Venugopal - Mumbai
Secularism is not to do something against once religion, just imagine because muslims dont worship idols, if we tell hindus not to worship idols as secularism, would that be correct....... and more over these people are saying it is un-islamic and not asking others not to sing it. we need to open our minds and hearts to understand others sentiments and feelings. -Ahmed - Hyderabad, India
Its just a waste of time, why can`t these mullah give fatwa, to get their kids highly educated, abolish dowry system, and other social problems. You are living in the wrong what is wrong to say vande mataram, Allah Knows your Intention...Your Imaan MUSLIMS HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY OF THINKING...AND PLAN CONSTRUCTIVE APPROACH OF LIFE...AND NOT DISTRUCTIVE....MAY ALLAH GIVE ALL THE MUSLIM AN OPEN MIND...TO GROW & PROGRESS... -Zafar A. Siddiqui - Saudi Arabia
The problem with these hardcores is that they cannot co-exist with anyone or anything. They must not be allowed to get away with such bigotry. I wonder how any intellectually mature person can ever accept such crippling mandes being inposed on them by what they call a religion! -Raj - Mandya
is this right after 62 years of Independence, what they where doing all this years, -Deepak - Mumbai
Those who cannot sing national anthem should leave the country -ravi - Bangalore
Vandematarm is just a song. But Islam is a religion established on the worship of only ``One God`` who is nir-aakar. It preaches that no other entity should be worshiped except the All Mighty Creator. Islam preaches that loving the country is equal to half the religion. Merely by singing or not singing a song cannot be a proof of ``love for the country``. The intention is important. So communal parties and media should not creat a controversy out of this issue. This same political leaders have stripped, sold, abused Mother India and have stached its riches in Swiss banks. -SAM - Mumbai
I am very proud to be an indian and I love my country. Being muslim, we are not allowed to bow infront of my own mother then how can you expect that bowing to some one other my own mother. I request to all my country men to now the meaning of vande mataram. I know most of us doesn`t know the meaning, we simply sing this one as song. -Arshad - India
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Am sure our Freedom fighters & people who sacrifised their lives for our freedom wondering at this juncture. ‘Vande Matram’ is more of a Motivational & National song as per our constitution & part of secular ``INDIA`` Just wonder what is the government doing? but not issuing a FATWA against this illegal act of a few clerics who are out to creat this rift in the Nation. True every one has a right to practice his/her own Religion, but If we have no identity as a Country then we are nothing short of Barbariens. Feel we the People irrespective of Religion, Caste, Age issue a Fatwa against such Anti-Social & Anti-National`s Including our Politicians. Eshwar & Alla put together cannot save INDIA at this rate!! -ShashiKiran - Bangalore
WE ALL ARE EDUCATED HERE DONT MAKE THIS A BIG ISSUE ONE THING WE SHOULD KEEP IN MIND,INDIA IS OUR MOTHER LAND AND WE SHOULD BE READY TO SACRIFICE OUR LIFE TO SING VANDE MATHRAM IS NOT A BIG DEAL WHEN IT COMES TO PRACTICAL IT COUNTS BEING A MUSLIMS I FEEL PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO FIGHT FOR MY COUNTRY - JAI HIND -SYED - MUMBAI
We r trying to make such a society and country were things will not work with the will of only one religion ,group or community.Muslims should understand that we r trying to make earth a better place to live in and pure islam or hinduism or christianity is not the path to achieve that.So open up to embrace the common culture,common language,common agenda,common slogans and common faith and sprituality -rishi - chennai
I definitely agree with Arshad. Each person in India should understand the Real meaning of our National Anthem. Both hindu and Muslim worship their mother and the anthem is about our Mother i.e India. Organizations like Jamiat-e-Ulema and Bajrang Dal should make their step forward for the prosperity and improvement of people rather than holding these trivial issues. We belong to a secular country we should aware of this otherwise there will be no difference between us and Pakistan. -Sapnil - Cuttack
It is silly that when the nation is in crisis from extremists across the border, all these so called ``scholars`` can think about at a national convention is that Muslims should not sing a song. When there is rising tension in our beloved nation over religion their job should be to find ways in which they can unite communities not divide them. -Anshu - India
i dont feel there`s nothing wrong in their requst ,. they are not asking to change it to islamic prayers or , to opposing our national song , or insulting it , just they are quiting it ,. being a democratic country every one has their own opnion , and being a multi religious country , their request is not wrong ,. ofcose national song has some parts which focus on hindu religion , ``Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen, With her hands that strike and her swords of sheen, Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned, And the Muse a hundred-toned, Pure and perfect without peer, `` A national song should be accepted by all , and should be sung with pleasure ,. it should create patronage in their minds ,. but having hard feelings while singing the song , how can Islamic people can salute the our mother nation ? -pradeep - chennai
We all muslims believe in one God and also believe that what ever exist in this world belongs to one God if we all follow the same there will be no controversy. We value everything in this world we love our country but we prefer religion. love does`nt mean you have sing some songs have you ever sung any song for your mother but you still know how much you love her. Life here in this world is for years but for hereafter we have to think that is the life which is endless so be serious about that as soon as you can. -Arif Baba - Delhi
``WE LOVE THE NATION BUT CANNOT WORSHIP`` Kamal Farooqui a prominent leader of the Muslim Law Board. I think he must be very experienced and qualified as well, which is reflected from his comment:``We love the nation but can`t worship it``. ... How can he worship the mother who has given him birth? ... I sincerely hope his ward/wards will kick his ASS as they grow up and then he can realize whom to worship. ... He is not at all a human being as he does not love his Mother. on the other hand, he has taken the seat of a SAVIOUR of the society. ... People like him can only create silt around themselves like a pig does as they like living there. They can never dare to clear the society of the mess but rather help in aggravating them. -B P - Assam
rediculous!!! and Ironic. People can issue resolutions against national anthem! What happened to India,we are not even in a position to punish these extremists. Only problem with these people is they cant live in unilamic countries. Mr. Priminister you can go a head and change the conutry`s national anthem for Votes. Tomorrow they say Gandhi is not Nation`s father , we can not calling father.....Wah re India..... -Vijay G - Bangalore
Shame on the religion who not allow to respect mother. Jo apni ma ka samman nahi karna janta voh desh ka kya samman karega . Those who have problem with Vande Mataram they can leave nation. Because this land always respect mother and our country it self our mother . i.e BHARAT MATA. I advice to educated Muslim to oppose such type of nonsense Fatva. other vise ready to face Anger of Hindu. Which u seen After Godhara. Jay Hind Jay Bharat Mata Vandemataram Jigar Dave Visnagar ,Gujarat -Jigar Dave - Visnagar,Gujarat

this comment is not aimed at any particular religion. if one tries to follow ones religion strictly it will be impossible to lead a normal life. we all skip the undesirable parts of our religion when it comes to our own and our dependents well being (cherry picking). if you don`t believe me, try to follow your religion literally and you will know what i mean. -sathish - seoul, korea
i love my nation more than my religion. the almighty god knows it. i abide by the preachings of my religion but it is never said in islam about the race between once mother nation vs god. this is a foolish contraversy created by some people the fatwa shud be against those who knowingly pull their religion into a race. the fact in religion and my mother nation are different entities. they shudnot be brought into comparison ONLY FOOLS WILL COMPARE AND FIGHT. vande mataram -asad kazi - chennai
The one, who created man kind with un clean water keeps some limit. So, one should consider this thing. And try to understand the fact and save man kind from Swine flu, tsunami,earthquake,floods. INDIAN. -Yasein - INDIA
Total farce and pathetic.Those who cannot say Vande mataram should be send to Pakistan.This is the Perverse kind of logic some people have ...i am a proud Hindu but i do not believe Quran is anti-Hindu.Why dont you issue Fatwa when acor and actress from muslim community show obscene behavier ...is that not Unislamic...I have read Quran....and all the books says only one thing ...let there be Light everywhere and world should stay in peace. 90% of Hindu has accepted muslim as part of their society ..i dont understand why trivial stuff is taken up as an issue...if Vande mataram is unislamic then the Burqa that your women wear is also unislamic Come out of this nonsense business of FATWA and let live together in peace and harmony. -Jayesh - Mumbai
this is our country, if they dont respect there mother then how can they say that they repects the country. this is really very bad, what they where doing from last 62 years............?????? -devesh - delhi
i am agree with mr Zafar A. Siddiqui, he said right, and i cant understand why they need fatwa? they want hindu and muslim fight again? they should think about backdrop of this step, they have to urge muslims to make there kids study higher, they have to think aboout there wedding systems, common think mr ulema -sifarx - delhi
I really surprised, lot of people have mentioned ``Vande Matram`` as ``National Antehm``. It is national song and Supreme Court has given its judgement that it is not necessary for someone to sing national song. National Anthem is ``Jana Gana Mana Adhinayak ki Jay he..`` Guys you all need to correct yourself. -Hussain - Bangalore
the people who can not sing a song in praise of their motherland then why they ask for their rights from that very motherland.from it appears that a few hand full of so called religious leaders think that the community is their bonded labour and use them as tool to achieve their own ambitions.it is clear from their behaviour that they are intolrent un-cooperative which is a cause of bitterness between fellow countrymen.this theory is creating a problem world wide.our leaders should also rise above the vote bank theory and do some thing for the country and these type of people should be dealt with a iron hand and there should be no. compromise with the HONOUR AND INTEGRITY OF OUR MOTHERLAND. VANDE-MATRAM. LONG LIVE HIDUSTAN- LONG LIVE OUR DEMOCRACY. -bee emm - chandigarh
When will thes Muslim `` Scholars``(!) try to understand that there is a difference between Eighth Century and Twenty First Century Ground Reality.Islam as originated then had different ideas& tenets suited to the geo-political realities and social dynamics then existing and the world has over the centuries outgrown lots of religious dogmas and outdated concepts enshrined in their respective religions in the course of time.Why cann`t anyone from this religion come out of the Eighth Century ideals.Why still everything as existed 1200-1300 years ago must be adhered to. Cann`t these people adapt and apply their minds to the changed world.Enough of ``Religion above everything `` kind of mindset of these Scholars.They must see the things in their own perspectives than tjhe filters fitted by any one religious book written hundreds of years ago. Come on be practical. You cann`t take this world back to Eighth Century even if you would love to fantasize about that even today !!! -Raaj - Mumbai
If you people can`t worship our country India, then leave our country. Anyway you have no other work but to plan destructions and blasts in our country -Gaurav - Delhi

wande mataram saying is wrong in islam becuase this two words means of saying your country is god but facts is no one can take place of god . god is god and cannot be compare with anyone. first of all most of the people dont know the meaning of these two words. -Mohammad - mumbai
National song is un Islamic then why they leave in India. and government is said that they have rights.. Now the people have to think is it in the favor in nation or .. in the favor in government favor.? -hindu - india
Those who not willing to sing Vantematharam not eligible to get Indian citizenship. As per Quran hindus are kafir may be tommorrow (when they bocome majority) they will say to leave the country. Better for all Hindus is unite now fight against these Rakshasas (in kaliyug rakshasas will re birth as muslims and cristians). -Godsebrigadier - Kerala
Muslims do not respect their country they live in, not only in india but in all the non-islamic countries they live in. Thats why they are involved in terrorist activities to under mine the country. -pranit - uk
these mullahas r trouble makers.because of this people all world hate muslims.i came to london 2001, i become the citizen of this country 2006. before become the citizen every one must sing national antham.if not they reject ur nationality. so indian govt must make tha law that who dont want vande mataram,they must go to jail.all the nations holding different religious people no one talk about their antham.why only indian muslims talking this?.nation is more important dan religion.for them religion is important why dont they go to muslim nation.when margaret thacher was prime minister in uk,muslims demanded many things,but she sais only one word.``if u want stay in this nation u must follow our rules or quit this country.den all britian muslims shut their mouths. my dear indian political leaders for saftey pls dont allow this kind of people .must take swift action.mera bharat mahan.vande mataram.bharat mata ki jai. -chandra - london
Lets all be sane when we post our views. If you feel FATWA was agst. freedom or that the islamic customs are old/outdated, let there be person know that Islam as a religion had been ``perfected`` as the eternal religion till doomsday without any provision of changes in its basic tenets(whether or not non-believers agree). One of the MOST BASIC TENET of islam is the oneness of God almightly and that he is the only being to be worshipped. So anything (like the vande mataram) goes against such important tenet, religious scholars have to take the stand and inform everybody that the case here is serious enough to warrant there interference. So do not put blame unless you are well aware of what you want to counter. Mubeen -Ahmed mubeen - UAE
What do hindu sculptures say: ACCORDING TO VEDAS GOD HAS GOT NO PRATIMA (STATUE), SO WHEN ONE SAYS VANDAE MATARAM, MEANING MY COUNTRY IS MY GOD, SO IT GOES EVEN AGAINST HINDU VEDAS,. ACCORDING TO BHAGWAT GITA CHAPTER 7, VERSE 20, SAYS ONE SHOULD NOT DO IDOL WORSHIP. So by saying vandae mataram it is not allowed in Hinduism also. We muslims love this country like hindus do, but bowing to anyone except our lord is prohibited either for muslims or hindus. EVEN MOTHER GIVES BIRTH, WE LOVE HER AND RESPECT HER, BUT WORSHIPING HER IS JUSTIFIES ANYWAYS. All this is just a political issues. Our being Indian is not based on this song. THIS SONG WAS WRITTEN IN 1876 AND PUBLISHED IN 1882. SO HOW IT BECAME NATIONAL SONG. Enev a muslim living in Saudi arab or malasia or Pakistan or Indonesia or iraq or anywahere , he cannot bow or worship his country. This is according to hindu basic laws and muslim laws also. People don’t understand , that does’t mean that muslims are wrong. This means that even hindus have not understood their own religion. -dr sajad - MP
Is Former president og India A.P.J.Abdul Kalam also attended this meeting? Birth control is Un-Islamic and going to hospital to give birth not Un-Islamic. What a logic of Islamic people? -tamatertam - goa
Read Vande Matram completely. It is the part of the controversial & infamous book Anandmath. Besides, glorifying the British Queen, Motherland is depicted as Goddess Durga. Worshipping TEN Handed deity as “SWADESH” is not acceptable to Muslims. Patriotism, respect to Motherland is totally different from worshipping it as goddess. It is also against to Hinduism as per Hindu scriptures - (I) ``Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.`` [Bhagavad Gita 7:20] (II) ``They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements`` (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). ``They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.`` ( created things, table, chair, idol, etc) [Yajurveda 40:9] (III) ``na tasya pratima asti`` There is no image of Him. [Yajurveda 32:3] (IV) ``shudhama poapvidham`` He is body less and pure.[Yajurveda 40:8]. Muslims believe in & worship ONE & ONLY GOD. -hasan abbas - bangalore
This is the result of UPA bending before minorities...on one hand MAOISTS are killing innocents, with China`s help..MEDIA is spreading anti-national thoughts backed by Macaulay followers and nor MUSLIMS are taking the nation for granted.....beware of these 3 M`s.... -Non Muslim - Bharat

This fatwa is nothing but the brainchild of a group of people who feel that their presence should be felt in the society. By creating this type of controversies they come to limelight for some time and nothing else. There were same type of person who implemented fatwa against Salman Khan. We live in a country the air we breath, the water we drink the food we eat, the shelter we live in all belongs to this country. in return if we do not worship it then how can we love it. And how can we pay gratitude to it. Those persons who are implementing fatwa against a patriotic song, had they ever issue fatwa against any terrorist or anti-national activity. -Manoj - Hyderabad
what crp?? Vandae mataram just means praising our motherland ..itisnt Idol worhsip!!! go first understand its meaning??And WHY u guys bow at kabba?? Why u guys praiseand kiss ur kuran?? that can also b termed as THING worship?? U SELF appointed KEEPERS OF religion ?? ALL religion orders U TO HELP POOR,, NEEDY GO do that IF ur allahs a Real GOD he will sure punish u for not doing whats really required i.e keeping good heart and helping those who need it -gargi - lucknow
Nothing wrong in saying god is one. But thinking only your path is true and others is false is problem. All hindu beleves in one god. In vedas it is clearly mentioned - god is one and called by different name by sages. not only that. we do not stop here go beyond we beleve in adwitiya theory. do u know what it that. If god is suprim, infinite nothing must have existed except god. so whole world is created from god or say god`s energy menifisted as this world. so do not thing only you are true and other is false. All this religion leads to one and only one god. why you are fighting? -jaydip - India
everybody should accept the country rules and regulations. It is not for one group or certain people. If this is the case in future they will ask to change Janaganamana also. So please dont accept this. -gopi - dubai
Vande matharam is our national anthem. Who ever is indian they all have to accept this. Doesn`t matter which religion. So dont accept this anyway. Tomorrow if someone willl ask to change the country name then also our political leader will tell the same for their position. So dont accept anything like this. India is only the country give full freedom to the minority. But now they are trying to rule out the whole Indian according to their way. Please dont accept this. -Harish - uae
Its shoking... best message in Islam is of unity. Oneness is there in every religion. we hindu pray god in different form but know very well god is one. In vedas it is clearly mentioned ``god is one call by different name by people``. name can very. - we know all path lead to one god then why thinking one is true and another is false. It is very very clearly mentioned in vedas god is one...is it word that creating problems..!! . so I think unity is best message of ISLAM and people are not able to understand and creating such contraversy. -Jaydip -
iam not here to explore the why Muslims not accept to sing Vandematram , but we are here in the world to worship no one but allah........we are minorities in india we live our lives together very happy it will continue forever ..............but let the enjoy what is good and forbid what is bad, ask our former president APJ Abdul Kalam opinion ..........large number of people may agree his views towards why muslims against vandematram ..............................the only religion in the world teach to do only right things .........i love India.............we strive to development of India...................it never ends -Chan Basha Shaik - Mumbai
Tomorrow they will say more against national anthem and then against hindu culture and then something forward.... better send them all to their beloved country Pakistan and raise a wall like Berlin. Otherwise, they will convert whole country like Myanmar, Indonesia, and so on.... WAKE UP.. SADHU BABA.. JAG AUR MAR DE IN MULLAON KO... -vasudev - abu dhabi, uae
India is a secular country. All religions participated for independent of India on their respecitvely languages. Here people living Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, and Christician. So no any authority can impose any type of their religious song to other religion. So there is no question arise for vande mataram ? I have seen different religious scholar participated in uleme convention of deoband in UP. I specially I impress with the Hindu Scholors because their thought matching with ulemas peoples also appreciated/welcome them with claps. I appreciated it. I do not find any thing wrong in this convention. You also need to be watch whole convention. May Allah show you right path. Ameen. -rashid - Hyderabad
This is called Fundamentalism. Making Fatwas are communal. Living in India, with a non-muslim majority is also non-Islamic. So why don`t these fundamentalists go to Pakistan which was created for the muslims of the sub-continent? -kkrishna - Mumbai

To resolve this issue, its better indian muslims with consultation with muslim poets who are patriotic come up with a modified version of vande mataram of verses they finf objectionable which are also acceptable to non-muslims of india. That seems not hard compared to spilling hatred for one another on basis of religion. Jai Hind. ( same goes for christian, parsi or sikh versions if need be necessary- its just like a remix of original bollywood song we all enjoy without hatred.) -niki - toronto, canada
When India need to be united some people trying to be separate by implementing their evil will and some part of our political parties also promoting these activities by the name of minorities. Lets think in India who are minorities are only Muslims, who we care other sect of our country. Hwy sketching of other religions images in bad manner in not Forbidden for them. Assistance of a Hindu dominating country but acting as secular in work and word`s donation towards Hajj is not Forbidden. My brother think before you speak what is good and what is bad. Till date its not a problem for general people of this sect but now it was a forbidden chapter. To be respected, pay respect to others this is universal truth what every religion said. -Susanta - Orissa, India
peace be in our country The taught process is different for muslims n hindus on bowing to anything. we bow only to almighty who made us into tribes and nations. we bow only the creator and not the creation. Don`t forget we muslims have strived together with majority hindus to liberate this nation. that is why India is so proud a place of unity in diversity! -Khalid - Kuwait
Dear Rajesh(Mumbai) and Pramesh (UAE), lets bring our mind to senses and speak what is sane. The issue is about ``WORSHIPING`` motherland (as the vande mataram slogan proclaims)........do know there`s difference of chock and cheese between worshiping and respecting. Do you understand the difference between these two?? If no, then atleast take effort to know your own religious book and you will know exactly what you have to reply. Your`s mind is stolen by material hatred against muslims, which you should try to wash out first. Do know that we muslims are against terrorism same as you are, we are against religious intolerence same as you are and above all, we are first class citizens same as you are. Ahmed mubeen, UAE -Ahmed mubeen - UAE
The refusal of the Muslims to sing this song seems to have angered the Hindutva ideologues, who, without giving them an opportunity to explain their position, have accused them of being anti-national. Hence, it becomes imperative to analyse the objections raised by the Muslim community against the recital of the Vande Mataram. Islam, being a monotheist religion, forbids the apotheosis of any deity, animate or inanimate, except God, the Supreme Creator. Bankimchandra Chatterjee’s Vande Mataram contains verses which are in direct conflict with the beliefs of Islam. For instance, the fourth stanza of the song addresses motherland India as, “Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen, with her hands that strike and her swords of sheen, Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned……..” When a Muslim sings these words he is forced to equate his country with the Hindu goddesses Durga and Lakshmi, thereby deifying the physical land of India and beseeching it to “arise and save.” This militates against the concept of Tawheed (oneness of God) according to which a Muslim cannot supplicate to anyone except God. Therefore, just as one cannot force non-Muslims to recite the Quran in their gatherings, it would be most unfair to force the Muslims to violate their Scriptural injunctions by questioning their patriotism. -Mohammed Ashraf - M'lore, Karnataka
These Muslim clerics don`t bow before anyone better ask their begums who will say these men love to bow before them in bedroom. -Javed - Hyderabad
With this Mad and Bad Muslims in India they are spoiling our Islamic Religion. Kick out these basterds out of India. Other wise they want to show there dirty mind. Any one can see in UAE only bad things are done by these ASIAN MUSLIMS. 1. They sell there daughters. 2. Prostitution maximum femals from Muslim girls. 3. Smugglers. 4.Drug dealers. 5.Every type of bad things done by muslimsonly in this world take my word I am a Arab. -Mohammed Rashid Al-Rashidi - UAE
It is very sad to know a Fatwa issued against Vandemataram. Are they not indians? Mr.Mahmood Madani when he became a Rajya Sabha member what he did sworn? If they do not respect being an indian it is better to Gulf. There they will see what is real islam. In India they speak anything if they go Gulf they become dumb. If they speak anything Gulf governments straightly keep thgem inside the jail. Later they beg indian Government to release. These type of persons are harmful to the soverginity opf india. Here in india freedom is given to all religions. Did any hindu speak about other religions and putting any restrictions. If these type of persons creat any such statements it may lead to religious war. Indians particularly Hindus didn`t sit ideal. Once they start agitation no one in the world can not stop. For the past several centuaries many religions try to impose their religion in india. Due to the power of indian land, greatness of hindu culture no one can not do any thing in near future also none can dare to do such acts in india. My dear indians, awake. DO not allow this type of people allow in india to make such statments. If the Government follow the constitution, please first arrest Mr.Mahmood Madani under social security act. -P.Sathya Prakash - Warangal
National song Unislamic?? U guys should go to pakistan!! Like U guys Say idol worship bad HIndus say UR Allah is DEVIL bcz it just teaches u guys to hate other humans... -roxy - mumbai
We Muslims are DeshPremi`s not DeshBhakth`s. We bow down(Vande) only before one almighty GOD(Called as Allah in Arabic). In fact all humans should bow down before one tru Almighty only, as described in their scriptures, Bible , Vedas etc. -farouque - Jamshedpur


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