Press Trust of India, Wednesday November 4, 2009, Mumbai
A day after Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind adopted a resolution asking Muslims not to recite Vande Mataram, Shiv Sena Executive President Uddhav Thackeray on Wednesday slammed it, saying those opposed to the national song should go to Pakistan.
"If you don't want to salute your motherland, then who do you salute? What is the shame in saluting Bharatmata? Those who do not want to salute Bharatmata should go to Pakistan or Bangladesh. There is no place for such traitors in India," Thackeray said.
Thackeray said the fact that the decree was adopted in the presence of Union Home Minister P Chidambaram showed that the Centre was engaging in appeasement of the minorities. "If anti-national fatwas are issued in the presence of the Union home minister then there is no future for this country. It looks like the Centre has a policy of appeasement of Muslims for votes," he said in a statement.
Stating that such decrees created tensions between Hindus and Muslims, he asked Shiv Sainiks to put up "Vande Mataram" boards all over Maharashtra. The Jamiat, one of the largest groups of Muslim clerics in the country, had yesterday endorsed the decree of Darul Uloom seminary at Deoband asking the Muslims not to recite Vande Mataram as it went against the tenets of their faith in monotheism.
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Posted by rameshnaivaruni on Nov 05, 2009
The decision of the Clerics are deplorable and Home Minister being there bring in more credence to their declaration and these are the people we are wanting to come to mainstream---Vande Mataram is a heritage that we have of the by-gone era and this still indicates and brings in a sense of Patriotism in the younger generation and Indian Government should not allow fatwas on this sacred testamant by Islam fundamentalist and it is high time the Government declars Vande Mataram /Jana gana Mana and other verses and songs of pre-Indpendence days as Sacrosant and a constitutional amendments should clearly specify any disrespects shown to them should be treated as an offence and punishable under Non-bailable offence. Ramesh.V.Naivaruni rameshnaivaruni@yahoo.com
Posted by Apurva on Nov 05, 2009
I cannot understand that in this modern era what kind of controversies are these people creating. Our country needs hard work,focus and dedication. Singing or not singing the national song will not solve our problems , will not uplift our masses. This is the biggest non issue for India.
Posted by Deepa Johnson on Nov 05, 2009
Iam sure Mr.Bankim must be wondering on all the fuss his song has generated years later!!! We Indians have mastered the art of complicating simple issues!! If this 1 billion plus country's patriotism depends on ONE SONG, then god save the country!!
Posted by Ved Nandyal on Nov 05, 2009
How many of the educated middle-class know vande mataram, I am sure less than 50%. Are they not Indians!whether vande mataram is Islamic or unIslamic, it is definitely not the certificate to prove your patriotism
Posted by Vishwas Shrungarpure on Nov 05, 2009
The Fatwa is a gross mis-representation of Quran Values. Every religion teaches that God is omnipresent and boundaryless. Mother who has given birth and Motherland where we have taken birth and live our life are nothing but forms of God and there is no harm to Worship them. In a country which doesnt has a Uniform Civil Code and doesnt honors Right to Equality on religious and caste grounds, these things are bound to happen. I feel more than the Elements who carry out such Fatwa's, our Politicians are the real Traitors of this country. They have stooped to such low levels that are unimaginable and unthought of when compared with other developed countries.
Posted by Bharat Bhushan on Nov 05, 2009
I think a lot of people who criticize muslims to oppose vandematram had never read ANANDMATH the novel (origin of national song) written by Mr. Bankimchandra Chatterji. If they read this novel they understand why a common muslim do not like to sing vandematram. it should depend on the peoples that which song they like or not
Posted by kuthubdeen.shaik on Nov 05, 2009
I'm Muslim but first of all i'm indian muslim,my father recite vandemataram,my forefather recite vandemataram i too recite vandemataram no ulama no moulana can stop me. i love my mother country i love to sacrifice my life to my mother india, few muslims said that vandemtaram unislamic? how come they wont bow to mother india! whenever they prefer namaz they bow and do sajda (mata teak) to the soil of mother india!i'm i right ma!
Posted by Jamil on Nov 05, 2009
Who is this person to dictate who's should go where. The stand by Jamiat about Vande Mataram is very clear. That does not say or mean muslims should not or do not respect their mother land. In fact in Islam MOTHER has been goven the most important position amoung everyone on earth but still Islam does not allow muslims to worship her. Raj should understand there's a diff between respect and worship. If you turn the pages of any history book you can see so many muslims who sacrificed their lives of the country both for independence and post independence. If he's so hurt by the fatwa then how would he justify his stand against his brothers (north Indians). Aren'th they sons of the same motherland. Where will he and MNS go for hurting his brothers. This guys is just another double faced politician. He says this move by Jamiat is anti-national then why oppose HINDI. just couple of days back he demanded all Maha MLAs to take oth in Marathi... why not Hindi... that would be real deshbakhti.
Posted by Munna on Nov 04, 2009
No religion, no personal identity can be above Country.Those saying "saluting National Song, hurts their religious sentiment" are no less than traitor.They should be kicked out of country.The convocation where Fatwa against National Song was issued was basically organised to show the strength of community. This is mainly due to our political leaders like Amar Singh, Mulayam Singh,Laloo Yadav and other Political leaders, who are licking at the back of Muslims Leaders to fulfill their political dream.These leaders are shame for country.These leaders as well as religious guru should learn from laws of US,UK,France,China and even Pakistan where insulting the sentiment of country might ruin your life.These things can only be possible in India where traitors politician and religious guru have free access
Posted by Ram prasad Sharma on Nov 04, 2009
It seems very funny that this comment is coming from a Alike him, we all know how the sena has been so deeply engulfed in regional politics and in essence they are the ones who are truly "ANTI" Vande mataram.Maybe for him India only means Maharashtra...or maybe not..But giving these type of comments is like " People living in a glass house pelting stones at others" .Its more mocking than that.
Posted by antigovt on Nov 04, 2009
Mr. Uddhav should use his position and stature what business did central ministers and top congress leaders had in that conference. Traitors are not only denigrate Bharat Mata but also who are on the side side of fence with them. Mr. Thakray should forget his electoral battle and campaign for apublc opinion on this issue
Posted by Sachcha Hindustani on Nov 04, 2009
I would like to tell this uddhav that his so call shiv sainik who are behind north indian are also son of bharatmata. If he thinks that any one who do not respect the vande mataram should leave the india and go to some other country then he also should go the briton becaue he is using the devide and rule policy to get power in maharastra by doing marathis and non marathis. I also believe that every one should respect the vande mataram. This fatwa people are all uneducated poeple and misguiding the youth. I think the meaning of vande matarm is " to do naman(respect) to mother(bharatmata) and even islam says that there is jannat in mother feet so if you want jannat that do naman to your mother. i think , all clear to every one and please dont listen to the politicians. Vande mataram and jai hind.
Posted by Vai Pinglay on Nov 04, 2009
If anti-Vande Mataram should leave India then so should REGIONAL parties who divide Indians on parochial or petty small frog mentality!
Posted by Balu Canada on Nov 04, 2009
P.C has joined the band of opportunistic congress Babus. UPA will regret for this and if we people eat salt we should kick PC and his party for ever.
Posted by Justistox on Nov 04, 2009
It is regrettable that Udhav Thackeray of Shiv Sena has rushed to the press to pronounce those who oppose singing Vande Matram as "traitors!" and has given his "verdict "that "they should go to Pakistan or Bangladesh!" This has entitled the aam admi in India to ask: 1.Does Udhav know that as far back as in1937, when Congress discussed the status of the song,"Vande Mataram" It was pointed out that in the other stanzas except the first TWO ,there are references where the motherland is likened to the Hindu goddess:"Durga". Therefore, it adopted the first two stanzas only as the "national Song". 2.The Constituent Assembly(1947-1950)adopted Tagore's "Jana gana mana" as the "national anthem" rejecting Bankim's "Vande Mataram", on the groundsthat Muslims, Christians, Parsees, Sikhs, Arya Samajees and others opposed to idol worship,felt offended by the depiction of the nation as "Mother Durga", a Hindu goddess! 3.In 2006,during a discussion in the Parliament whether the singing of Vande Matram by school children on September 7th, 2006 (the 'centennial' of the song) should be made mandatory or not, a reference was made to UP Govt.'s order making it mandatory. At that time Vajpayji clarified that it should be "voluntary" only! 4. Darul Uloom, Deoband issued the fatwa that Muslim students should not sing the song in 2006 and the recent Convention has only endorsed it. So where is the "Immediate provocation"? 5.Arabindo Ghosh has translated "Bonde Mataram"(original Bengal word) as "Mother! I bow to thee!"That is the most apt translation.On the other hand, "Hail" is a used as an expression of salutation to the Chief as "Hail Hitler!" 6 Assuming that Udhav could push Parsees to Iran and Christians to England , "where to he would push Sikhs and Arya Samajees"? 7.Udhav Thackeray and people of his ilk should realize that they are all citizens of this country only and have no "right" or "authority" to ask Muslims to "leave for Pakistan or Bangla desh" and others to other places! Such hatemongers should be properly dealt with by the state to uphold the Constitution.
Posted by ram on Nov 04, 2009
i for one completely agree with the above statement. if you can't comply with the rules of the land, you better don't belong here. these things should be above religion and faith. can these ppl dare such things in another European/Western countries like UK/US? our politicians do show undue succour for these kind of sentiments.
Posted by Mayur on Nov 04, 2009
Hindu also have some religious border but they are always believe to have freedom for everyone, when you take chance of such freedom and try to push your think or your idea like, we will do only that and this way, we can't sing a national song because it against our religious. What you are try to prove in world's largest egalitarianism country. If Muslim desire to get respect from Indian society then they will have to learn, how to give respect others (National culture). They must have to follow national ritual and culture. Muslims are always happy to do that others never likes. India is not for Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Sikh this country is for Indian. We must have to have some common rule that any citizen can't oppose some important things like vandematrum. BJP try to keep focus on Hindu value in their core agenda which is really good after listing Muslim fatwa on Vandematrum and congress try to allure Muslim. BJP=Congress. Every Indian should oppose this fatwa and I would say, Muslim should not accept this fatwa, by having support from Muslim people, this issue can easily solve.
The Mullahs are taking the Muslims for a ride. If "Vande" for them means "worship", then very soon they are going to "ban" the saying of "namaste" or "namaskar" because these two words mean exactly the same as "vande".
http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/anti-vande_mataram_leave_says_uddhav.php?page=1#postcommentarea
A day after Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind adopted a resolution asking Muslims not to recite Vande Mataram, Shiv Sena Executive President Uddhav Thackeray on Wednesday slammed it, saying those opposed to the national song should go to Pakistan.
"If you don't want to salute your motherland, then who do you salute? What is the shame in saluting Bharatmata? Those who do not want to salute Bharatmata should go to Pakistan or Bangladesh. There is no place for such traitors in India," Thackeray said.
Thackeray said the fact that the decree was adopted in the presence of Union Home Minister P Chidambaram showed that the Centre was engaging in appeasement of the minorities. "If anti-national fatwas are issued in the presence of the Union home minister then there is no future for this country. It looks like the Centre has a policy of appeasement of Muslims for votes," he said in a statement.
Stating that such decrees created tensions between Hindus and Muslims, he asked Shiv Sainiks to put up "Vande Mataram" boards all over Maharashtra. The Jamiat, one of the largest groups of Muslim clerics in the country, had yesterday endorsed the decree of Darul Uloom seminary at Deoband asking the Muslims not to recite Vande Mataram as it went against the tenets of their faith in monotheism.
Comments Post your comments
Posted by rameshnaivaruni on Nov 05, 2009
The decision of the Clerics are deplorable and Home Minister being there bring in more credence to their declaration and these are the people we are wanting to come to mainstream---Vande Mataram is a heritage that we have of the by-gone era and this still indicates and brings in a sense of Patriotism in the younger generation and Indian Government should not allow fatwas on this sacred testamant by Islam fundamentalist and it is high time the Government declars Vande Mataram /Jana gana Mana and other verses and songs of pre-Indpendence days as Sacrosant and a constitutional amendments should clearly specify any disrespects shown to them should be treated as an offence and punishable under Non-bailable offence. Ramesh.V.Naivaruni rameshnaivaruni@yahoo.com
Posted by Apurva on Nov 05, 2009
I cannot understand that in this modern era what kind of controversies are these people creating. Our country needs hard work,focus and dedication. Singing or not singing the national song will not solve our problems , will not uplift our masses. This is the biggest non issue for India.
Posted by Deepa Johnson on Nov 05, 2009
Iam sure Mr.Bankim must be wondering on all the fuss his song has generated years later!!! We Indians have mastered the art of complicating simple issues!! If this 1 billion plus country's patriotism depends on ONE SONG, then god save the country!!
Posted by Ved Nandyal on Nov 05, 2009
How many of the educated middle-class know vande mataram, I am sure less than 50%. Are they not Indians!whether vande mataram is Islamic or unIslamic, it is definitely not the certificate to prove your patriotism
Posted by Vishwas Shrungarpure on Nov 05, 2009
The Fatwa is a gross mis-representation of Quran Values. Every religion teaches that God is omnipresent and boundaryless. Mother who has given birth and Motherland where we have taken birth and live our life are nothing but forms of God and there is no harm to Worship them. In a country which doesnt has a Uniform Civil Code and doesnt honors Right to Equality on religious and caste grounds, these things are bound to happen. I feel more than the Elements who carry out such Fatwa's, our Politicians are the real Traitors of this country. They have stooped to such low levels that are unimaginable and unthought of when compared with other developed countries.
Posted by Bharat Bhushan on Nov 05, 2009
I think a lot of people who criticize muslims to oppose vandematram had never read ANANDMATH the novel (origin of national song) written by Mr. Bankimchandra Chatterji. If they read this novel they understand why a common muslim do not like to sing vandematram. it should depend on the peoples that which song they like or not
Posted by kuthubdeen.shaik on Nov 05, 2009
I'm Muslim but first of all i'm indian muslim,my father recite vandemataram,my forefather recite vandemataram i too recite vandemataram no ulama no moulana can stop me. i love my mother country i love to sacrifice my life to my mother india, few muslims said that vandemtaram unislamic? how come they wont bow to mother india! whenever they prefer namaz they bow and do sajda (mata teak) to the soil of mother india!i'm i right ma!
Posted by Jamil on Nov 05, 2009
Who is this person to dictate who's should go where. The stand by Jamiat about Vande Mataram is very clear. That does not say or mean muslims should not or do not respect their mother land. In fact in Islam MOTHER has been goven the most important position amoung everyone on earth but still Islam does not allow muslims to worship her. Raj should understand there's a diff between respect and worship. If you turn the pages of any history book you can see so many muslims who sacrificed their lives of the country both for independence and post independence. If he's so hurt by the fatwa then how would he justify his stand against his brothers (north Indians). Aren'th they sons of the same motherland. Where will he and MNS go for hurting his brothers. This guys is just another double faced politician. He says this move by Jamiat is anti-national then why oppose HINDI. just couple of days back he demanded all Maha MLAs to take oth in Marathi... why not Hindi... that would be real deshbakhti.
Posted by Munna on Nov 04, 2009
No religion, no personal identity can be above Country.Those saying "saluting National Song, hurts their religious sentiment" are no less than traitor.They should be kicked out of country.The convocation where Fatwa against National Song was issued was basically organised to show the strength of community. This is mainly due to our political leaders like Amar Singh, Mulayam Singh,Laloo Yadav and other Political leaders, who are licking at the back of Muslims Leaders to fulfill their political dream.These leaders are shame for country.These leaders as well as religious guru should learn from laws of US,UK,France,China and even Pakistan where insulting the sentiment of country might ruin your life.These things can only be possible in India where traitors politician and religious guru have free access
Posted by Ram prasad Sharma on Nov 04, 2009
It seems very funny that this comment is coming from a Alike him, we all know how the sena has been so deeply engulfed in regional politics and in essence they are the ones who are truly "ANTI" Vande mataram.Maybe for him India only means Maharashtra...or maybe not..But giving these type of comments is like " People living in a glass house pelting stones at others" .Its more mocking than that.
Posted by antigovt on Nov 04, 2009
Mr. Uddhav should use his position and stature what business did central ministers and top congress leaders had in that conference. Traitors are not only denigrate Bharat Mata but also who are on the side side of fence with them. Mr. Thakray should forget his electoral battle and campaign for apublc opinion on this issue
Posted by Sachcha Hindustani on Nov 04, 2009
I would like to tell this uddhav that his so call shiv sainik who are behind north indian are also son of bharatmata. If he thinks that any one who do not respect the vande mataram should leave the india and go to some other country then he also should go the briton becaue he is using the devide and rule policy to get power in maharastra by doing marathis and non marathis. I also believe that every one should respect the vande mataram. This fatwa people are all uneducated poeple and misguiding the youth. I think the meaning of vande matarm is " to do naman(respect) to mother(bharatmata) and even islam says that there is jannat in mother feet so if you want jannat that do naman to your mother. i think , all clear to every one and please dont listen to the politicians. Vande mataram and jai hind.
Posted by Vai Pinglay on Nov 04, 2009
If anti-Vande Mataram should leave India then so should REGIONAL parties who divide Indians on parochial or petty small frog mentality!
Posted by Balu Canada on Nov 04, 2009
P.C has joined the band of opportunistic congress Babus. UPA will regret for this and if we people eat salt we should kick PC and his party for ever.
Posted by Justistox on Nov 04, 2009
It is regrettable that Udhav Thackeray of Shiv Sena has rushed to the press to pronounce those who oppose singing Vande Matram as "traitors!" and has given his "verdict "that "they should go to Pakistan or Bangladesh!" This has entitled the aam admi in India to ask: 1.Does Udhav know that as far back as in1937, when Congress discussed the status of the song,"Vande Mataram" It was pointed out that in the other stanzas except the first TWO ,there are references where the motherland is likened to the Hindu goddess:"Durga". Therefore, it adopted the first two stanzas only as the "national Song". 2.The Constituent Assembly(1947-1950)adopted Tagore's "Jana gana mana" as the "national anthem" rejecting Bankim's "Vande Mataram", on the groundsthat Muslims, Christians, Parsees, Sikhs, Arya Samajees and others opposed to idol worship,felt offended by the depiction of the nation as "Mother Durga", a Hindu goddess! 3.In 2006,during a discussion in the Parliament whether the singing of Vande Matram by school children on September 7th, 2006 (the 'centennial' of the song) should be made mandatory or not, a reference was made to UP Govt.'s order making it mandatory. At that time Vajpayji clarified that it should be "voluntary" only! 4. Darul Uloom, Deoband issued the fatwa that Muslim students should not sing the song in 2006 and the recent Convention has only endorsed it. So where is the "Immediate provocation"? 5.Arabindo Ghosh has translated "Bonde Mataram"(original Bengal word) as "Mother! I bow to thee!"That is the most apt translation.On the other hand, "Hail" is a used as an expression of salutation to the Chief as "Hail Hitler!" 6 Assuming that Udhav could push Parsees to Iran and Christians to England , "where to he would push Sikhs and Arya Samajees"? 7.Udhav Thackeray and people of his ilk should realize that they are all citizens of this country only and have no "right" or "authority" to ask Muslims to "leave for Pakistan or Bangla desh" and others to other places! Such hatemongers should be properly dealt with by the state to uphold the Constitution.
Posted by ram on Nov 04, 2009
i for one completely agree with the above statement. if you can't comply with the rules of the land, you better don't belong here. these things should be above religion and faith. can these ppl dare such things in another European/Western countries like UK/US? our politicians do show undue succour for these kind of sentiments.
Posted by Mayur on Nov 04, 2009
Hindu also have some religious border but they are always believe to have freedom for everyone, when you take chance of such freedom and try to push your think or your idea like, we will do only that and this way, we can't sing a national song because it against our religious. What you are try to prove in world's largest egalitarianism country. If Muslim desire to get respect from Indian society then they will have to learn, how to give respect others (National culture). They must have to follow national ritual and culture. Muslims are always happy to do that others never likes. India is not for Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Sikh this country is for Indian. We must have to have some common rule that any citizen can't oppose some important things like vandematrum. BJP try to keep focus on Hindu value in their core agenda which is really good after listing Muslim fatwa on Vandematrum and congress try to allure Muslim. BJP=Congress. Every Indian should oppose this fatwa and I would say, Muslim should not accept this fatwa, by having support from Muslim people, this issue can easily solve.
The Mullahs are taking the Muslims for a ride. If "Vande" for them means "worship", then very soon they are going to "ban" the saying of "namaste" or "namaskar" because these two words mean exactly the same as "vande".
http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/anti-vande_mataram_leave_says_uddhav.php?page=1#postcommentarea
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